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Dating game becoming more like a chore
Winston-Salem Journal ^ | Thursday, January 8, 2004 | Kate Zernike

Posted on 01/08/2004 8:37:53 AM PST by Mr. Jeeves

By her own admission, Sara Cambridge was "totally cruising."

She spent hours trolling online dating sites, sending e-mail messages to potential mates and creating "a real connection," which would invariably sour into deep disappointment within the first five minutes of an actual date. At which point she would return to the sites, send more e-mail, make another connection and suffer another snap disappointment.

Finally, there was the left-leaning writer, who took her to a Japanese tea garden and, like so many of the others, seemed so perfect from his resume.

"In the e-mails, he would say, 'Tell me a story,' which I thought was kind of charming," said Cambridge, 38, a graphic designer in San Francisco. "When we got together it was, 'Tell me stories, tell me stories, tell me stories.' I felt like I was auditioning for a play."

That was it.

"I realized I could be starting my own business in the time I was spending looking at these ads and crafting these responses," she said. So instead of going back online, she began taking a class in small-business administration and designing funky planters.

Cambridge's tale is one small act of resistance against what might be called the Dating-Industrial Complex, a mighty fortress increasingly hard to ignore. To Match.com and Nerve.com, add DreamMates, The Right Stuff, eHarmony and eCrush (neither to be confused with Etrade, though the general concept is the same). TurboDate, HurryDate, 8minuteDating - or It's Just Lunch.

Reality television shows - The Bachelorette, Average Joe - have fed the impression that finding the right mate is as simple as being presented with a room of 10 people and picking one. Bookstores bulge: Surrendered Single, Find a Husband After 35 Using What I Learned at Harvard Business School, Make Every Girl Want You. That is just a sampling from the last year; the next two months will bring one manual promising to lure the love of your life in seven weeks, another in a sleeker six.

"There's a fetishization of coupling," said Bella DePaulo, a visiting professor of psychology at the University of California at Santa Barbara, who studies perceptions of singles. "It's made the pressure that's always been there more intense."

Yet like Cambridge, longtime combatants in the dating wars, psychologists and those who study the lives of singles talk about increasing dating fatigue. They say that more and more people are taking dating sabbaticals or declaring they will let romance happen by chance, not commerce. Once-obsessive online daters are logging off, clients of speed-dating services - which offer dozens of encounters in a roomful of strangers - are slowing down. A book due out this month, Quirkyalone, offers "a manifesto for uncompromising romantics" - those not opposed to romance but against the compulsory dating encouraged by the barrage of books, Web sites and matchmaking services.

Pottery Barn and Williams-Sonoma report that singles are signing up for housewarming and birthday registries, deciding they do not have to wait for a wedding to request the pastamaker and flatware. Smaller stores report single women registering for china patterns and crystal, without ring, proposal or mate.

"I have no doubt that there is a great, committed relationship out there for me," Cambridge said. "I don't identify at all with people who think, 'I'll never find another person.' I just think the best thing to do is pursue my goals, and whatever unfolds will be a new story."

Barbara Dafoe Whitehead, the co-director of the National Marriage Project, who relied on a national survey as well as in-depth interviews and dating histories of 60 women for her 2002 book Why There Are No Good Men Left: The Romantic Plight of the New Single Woman, said this hard-won wisdom is increasingly common. "People are making some kind of private agreement with themselves that they're not going to do this in a panicky, driven way that implicitly buys into the notion that if it doesn't happen to you, you'll be miserable," she said.

The discontent, Whitehead said, is not limited to women. Marc Johnson, 33, describes his late 20s and early 30s as a cycle between looking for dates, planning dates, going on dates or deconstructing dates with friends.

It all began to seem a bit small last year when he returned to New York from a trip to Vietnam, and was greeted by friends hassling him about when he was going to date various women.

"When you're seeing the world and civilizations that are thousands of years old - it seemed so petty to focus on 'meeting the right match,"' he said, his voice mocking the phrase. "You get a bit older, you go through this a couple of times, you start to think that life is short."

Like others, Johnson now feels that you can't hurry love. "It's not a backlash or resenting the whole dating thing," he said. "It's just, you've gotten over it, it's no longer of the utmost importance to go on a set number of dates or be on dates or to meet some specific person. By taking off that pressure you allow yourself to just go through life, enabled to meet people."

Kara Herold, 34, who lives in San Francisco, grew increasingly alarmed as friends succumbed to the pressure to find a mate, buying - and buying into - the endless supply of love-help books.

"In college when I was 20 it was dieting, now it's men and relationships," she said. "I was in a panic, but part of me thought, 'This is crazy, why are we concerned about this?"'

Herold is turning her disgust into a documentary, Bachelor, 34, which captures her mother's urging her toward a relationship ("He's Catholic and Republican, but it's nothing you can't change") and her online experiences.

Sasha Cagen, the author of Quirkyalone, wrote her book after being, as she said, "thoroughly messed up by The Rules," the best-seller that advised women to play the old-fashioned game of hard-to-get.

"The whole idea that you shouldn't ask someone out, that you're putting yourself out there to be rejected, that's just stupid," she said. "It just reinforces this warped, passive vision of what it means to be a woman."

Cagen, 29, is not against setups or dating. She is emphatically not against sex. Rather, she writes, she is "anti dull relationship."

She reminds her followers of the power of not yearning for a relationship. "If you are in a relationship to feel normal," she writes, "get out."

Still, the dating industry steamrolls forward, particularly in online services, which claim a huge jump in membership in the last two years.

Although the services love to talk about the success stories, they also admit, more quietly, to the dropouts. Matchmaker.com says its internal surveys show that the No. 1 reason people leave is that they do not find the right person. Just below that is that they have met someone, and men are twice as likely as women to say they met that companion offline, not on. (Women who drop out after meeting someone are twice as likely to cite an online connection.)

Ethan Watters, the author of Urban Tribes, which began with his own exploration of why he had remained single into his 30s, said that as people delay marriage, they begin to rely more on friends and see relationships less as the missing piece that will complete their lives. "They realize that a good love affair has as the basis a really good friendship," he said.


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To: KantianBurke
I married a woman traditional Cuban society produced. After thirty years, I had decided that our society produces mostly twits and emotional retards, and I needed someone with values and discipline (nevermind the temper).
61 posted on 01/08/2004 11:31:41 AM PST by warchild9
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To: warchild9
Ah, but the temper can be the FUN part.

Especially the making-up, late at night. . . (smile)
62 posted on 01/08/2004 11:37:06 AM PST by Salgak (don't mind me: the orbital mind control lasers are making me write this. . .)
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To: technochick99
I had no problems with dating until someone told me that married people weren't supposed to do it.
63 posted on 01/08/2004 11:37:46 AM PST by AppyPappy (If You're Not A Part Of The Solution, There's Good Money To Be Made In Prolonging The Problem.)
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To: Salgak
Making-up comes AFTER one pulls the cutlery out of the walls. And I've actually done that...twice. Aiy!
64 posted on 01/08/2004 11:38:06 AM PST by warchild9
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To: jrp
I was widowed a couple of years ago. Finding a conservative woman with all of the democrats around here is like looking for the Holy Grail. Liberal women run when they see that I am an honorably discharged veteran, collect weapons, don't smoke dope or worship lesbos and rear admirals, and go to church.

Oh, by the way. I know where the Holy Grail is.

65 posted on 01/08/2004 11:39:39 AM PST by vetvetdoug
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To: vetvetdoug
To extend your metaphor, the "Holy Grail" is waiting for guys to find HER. I don't know about the rest of you, but my experience taught me whenever a single female comes hunting, she's got problems and is probably worth dodging.
66 posted on 01/08/2004 11:42:03 AM PST by warchild9
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To: jrp
You wrote:

"So how does this work? It's not like we have an FR dating site of eligible freeperettes. Do you meet them in threads, at Freeps, or what? Hmm, maybe JR needs to start a conservative dating site and cash in on the online dating craze. Course it'd probably be 10/1 male/female ratio, lol."


Well, check out posts #38 and #45, for starters.

Sure, it would be a ten to one ratio at the moment, but give it time. Eventually, women will figure out that the teachers and libbers misled them and that conservative men are a better catch that leftist men.

Note to the women: here are five reasons why. All are generalities.

1. Conservative men are tougher. Maybe the leftist has as good a job as the conservative, but what about when the layoffs come? The conservative man will role up his sleeves and find some work. The leftist man will whine that "it's unfair." Guess which attitude will pay for your kid's dinner?

2. Conservative men will not patronize you. A leftist man might lecture you about how you shouldn't wear makeup, heels, etc. because it's conforming to a patriarchal stereoptype. A conservative man will figure you don't need to be lectured on such things.

3. "Wait until your father gets home!" is not a credible threat with a leftist father. Women thus lose a potent ally in the war to civilize the little darlings.

4. Conservative men know that suits are for church, jeans are for playing with the kids, pierced ears are for women, and pierced anything else isn't for anyone, especially not the kids.

5. Leftist men have serious issues with their parents, or they wouldn't be leftists. Getting together with the extended family thus becomes a major pain.

If I had time, I could come up with a few more, but you get the idea.
67 posted on 01/08/2004 11:46:30 AM PST by Our man in washington
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To: Mr. Jeeves
I thought this was going to be a thread about the old "Dating Game Show."

Remember the classic - "What's the strangest place your husband has ever asked you to have sex?"

68 posted on 01/08/2004 11:48:57 AM PST by N. Theknow (Be a glowworm, a glowworm's never glum, cuz how can you be grumpy when the sun shines out your bum.)
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To: vetvetdoug
Liberal women run when they see that I am an honorably discharged veteran, collect weapons, don't smoke dope or worship lesbos and rear admirals, and go to church.

Liberal women aren't very bright, are they? They run from good men and then wonder why they end up miserable.

PS - Thanks for your service to our country.

69 posted on 01/08/2004 11:50:40 AM PST by jrp
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To: gaijin; Bacon Man
1. Guys don't want women who feel a need to be like guys . . .

Oh, I don't know about that . . . I'm not a girly-girl by any stretch, and Bacon can testify to the fact that Xena's Guy seems to like me just fine. ;)
70 posted on 01/08/2004 11:52:37 AM PST by Xenalyte (I may not agree with your bumper sticker, but I'll defend to the death your right to stick it)
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To: angcat
I had one relative (through marriage) ask for such items. Now I hear they live with the groom’s mother because they cannot afford to make it on their own. Can you imagine! The little twerp go get a job and buy the stuff yourself you dam loser!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

Something tells me you might like this site.
71 posted on 01/08/2004 11:54:11 AM PST by Xenalyte (I may not agree with your bumper sticker, but I'll defend to the death your right to stick it)
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To: warchild9
"I married a woman traditional Cuban society produced. After thirty years, I had decided that our society produces mostly twits and emotional retards, and I needed someone with values and discipline (nevermind the temper)."

Hmmmm.

I'm female and I'm not a twit or an emotional retard AND I have have values and discipline. AND I'm Polish/English/German/Irish American and so I guess I don't have an excuse for MY TEMPER, but I was a DARN GOOD CATCH and I'm CUTE, TOO.

I really can't believe some of the posts on this thread.

Maybe it's because I'm also intelligent and I know that I can't judge all men because of a few idiots.

Flame away. :)

72 posted on 01/08/2004 11:57:51 AM PST by pax_et_bonum (Always finish what you st)
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To: jrp
I'm kicking around the idea of starting an FR dating service. I'd be the monitor, and I would decide what behavior is unacceptable - I'd be VERY upfront about my absolute power over jagoffs.
73 posted on 01/08/2004 11:57:52 AM PST by Xenalyte (I may not agree with your bumper sticker, but I'll defend to the death your right to stick it)
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To: N. Theknow
Remember the classic - "What's the strangest place your husband has ever asked you to have sex?"

That would have to be up the butt, Bob.
74 posted on 01/08/2004 11:59:59 AM PST by Xenalyte (I may not agree with your bumper sticker, but I'll defend to the death your right to stick it)
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To: pax_et_bonum
I forgot to add "emotional cripples."
Too many American women have had their values and attitudes shaped by television.

You're obviously an interesting individual for any guy. However, I'll bet you don't have my wife's...cool accent.
75 posted on 01/08/2004 12:01:40 PM PST by warchild9
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To: technochick99
Well, I guess we just see things a little differently. I pick up gifts for friends when I see something special they would like, but there's never been any need for a registry because these aren't gifts like toasters, cutlery, china or linens. I prefer a more personal approach, like remembering comments made about some item from the past that a close friend was unable to obtain at that time. Nothing like suprising that person with that item just because you want to see them smile.

Time is of the essence for most of us. I work anywhere from a 45 to a 65 hour week, have a house and several horses to care for with no outside help. But if its something that really will make someone happy it's easy to find the time to make them happy.
76 posted on 01/08/2004 12:06:10 PM PST by cjshapi
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To: mindspy
You wrote:

"I wish those women's libbers hadn't mucked up everything and made women feel they had to be as accomplished as a man to be compatible with him."

Well, judging by your profile, you look plenty accomplished to me. Take sculpture, for example. If I tried sculpture, I'd be lucky to make a leaky ashstray.

The problem is that leftists rate certain accomplishments over others. Leftists rate performance artists over plumbers, sociologists over soldiers, and just about anyone over mothers. It's a very foolish standard of measurement.
77 posted on 01/08/2004 12:06:34 PM PST by Our man in washington
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To: Tall_Texan
Whatever you guess wrong (cause they won't tell you) is your fault and you must atone for your sins to stay in their good graces.

You mean that happens more than once a month? ( for a couple of days. )

78 posted on 01/08/2004 12:08:18 PM PST by Stentor
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To: warchild9
"You're obviously an interesting individual for any guy. However, I'll bet you don't have my wife's...cool accent.

Wow, thanks for the compliment... maybe you're not so bad, after all. :)

As for the accent, you're right. Mine isn't cool like your wife's accent: it's cool like Dubya's - authentic fifth generation Texan.

79 posted on 01/08/2004 12:09:43 PM PST by pax_et_bonum (Always finish what you st)
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To: Tax-chick
When I got married 15 years ago, I wasn't beautiful, rich, or in a glamorous profession; I wasn't even quite finished college. I was short, violently opinionated, and Republican

Well, there you go...Finding a young, single, Republican woman is like, in the words of George Catanza, finding Plutonium lying on the ground...

80 posted on 01/08/2004 12:14:18 PM PST by Orbiting_Rosie's_Head
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