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Dating game becoming more like a chore
Winston-Salem Journal ^ | Thursday, January 8, 2004 | Kate Zernike

Posted on 01/08/2004 8:37:53 AM PST by Mr. Jeeves

By her own admission, Sara Cambridge was "totally cruising."

She spent hours trolling online dating sites, sending e-mail messages to potential mates and creating "a real connection," which would invariably sour into deep disappointment within the first five minutes of an actual date. At which point she would return to the sites, send more e-mail, make another connection and suffer another snap disappointment.

Finally, there was the left-leaning writer, who took her to a Japanese tea garden and, like so many of the others, seemed so perfect from his resume.

"In the e-mails, he would say, 'Tell me a story,' which I thought was kind of charming," said Cambridge, 38, a graphic designer in San Francisco. "When we got together it was, 'Tell me stories, tell me stories, tell me stories.' I felt like I was auditioning for a play."

That was it.

"I realized I could be starting my own business in the time I was spending looking at these ads and crafting these responses," she said. So instead of going back online, she began taking a class in small-business administration and designing funky planters.

Cambridge's tale is one small act of resistance against what might be called the Dating-Industrial Complex, a mighty fortress increasingly hard to ignore. To Match.com and Nerve.com, add DreamMates, The Right Stuff, eHarmony and eCrush (neither to be confused with Etrade, though the general concept is the same). TurboDate, HurryDate, 8minuteDating - or It's Just Lunch.

Reality television shows - The Bachelorette, Average Joe - have fed the impression that finding the right mate is as simple as being presented with a room of 10 people and picking one. Bookstores bulge: Surrendered Single, Find a Husband After 35 Using What I Learned at Harvard Business School, Make Every Girl Want You. That is just a sampling from the last year; the next two months will bring one manual promising to lure the love of your life in seven weeks, another in a sleeker six.

"There's a fetishization of coupling," said Bella DePaulo, a visiting professor of psychology at the University of California at Santa Barbara, who studies perceptions of singles. "It's made the pressure that's always been there more intense."

Yet like Cambridge, longtime combatants in the dating wars, psychologists and those who study the lives of singles talk about increasing dating fatigue. They say that more and more people are taking dating sabbaticals or declaring they will let romance happen by chance, not commerce. Once-obsessive online daters are logging off, clients of speed-dating services - which offer dozens of encounters in a roomful of strangers - are slowing down. A book due out this month, Quirkyalone, offers "a manifesto for uncompromising romantics" - those not opposed to romance but against the compulsory dating encouraged by the barrage of books, Web sites and matchmaking services.

Pottery Barn and Williams-Sonoma report that singles are signing up for housewarming and birthday registries, deciding they do not have to wait for a wedding to request the pastamaker and flatware. Smaller stores report single women registering for china patterns and crystal, without ring, proposal or mate.

"I have no doubt that there is a great, committed relationship out there for me," Cambridge said. "I don't identify at all with people who think, 'I'll never find another person.' I just think the best thing to do is pursue my goals, and whatever unfolds will be a new story."

Barbara Dafoe Whitehead, the co-director of the National Marriage Project, who relied on a national survey as well as in-depth interviews and dating histories of 60 women for her 2002 book Why There Are No Good Men Left: The Romantic Plight of the New Single Woman, said this hard-won wisdom is increasingly common. "People are making some kind of private agreement with themselves that they're not going to do this in a panicky, driven way that implicitly buys into the notion that if it doesn't happen to you, you'll be miserable," she said.

The discontent, Whitehead said, is not limited to women. Marc Johnson, 33, describes his late 20s and early 30s as a cycle between looking for dates, planning dates, going on dates or deconstructing dates with friends.

It all began to seem a bit small last year when he returned to New York from a trip to Vietnam, and was greeted by friends hassling him about when he was going to date various women.

"When you're seeing the world and civilizations that are thousands of years old - it seemed so petty to focus on 'meeting the right match,"' he said, his voice mocking the phrase. "You get a bit older, you go through this a couple of times, you start to think that life is short."

Like others, Johnson now feels that you can't hurry love. "It's not a backlash or resenting the whole dating thing," he said. "It's just, you've gotten over it, it's no longer of the utmost importance to go on a set number of dates or be on dates or to meet some specific person. By taking off that pressure you allow yourself to just go through life, enabled to meet people."

Kara Herold, 34, who lives in San Francisco, grew increasingly alarmed as friends succumbed to the pressure to find a mate, buying - and buying into - the endless supply of love-help books.

"In college when I was 20 it was dieting, now it's men and relationships," she said. "I was in a panic, but part of me thought, 'This is crazy, why are we concerned about this?"'

Herold is turning her disgust into a documentary, Bachelor, 34, which captures her mother's urging her toward a relationship ("He's Catholic and Republican, but it's nothing you can't change") and her online experiences.

Sasha Cagen, the author of Quirkyalone, wrote her book after being, as she said, "thoroughly messed up by The Rules," the best-seller that advised women to play the old-fashioned game of hard-to-get.

"The whole idea that you shouldn't ask someone out, that you're putting yourself out there to be rejected, that's just stupid," she said. "It just reinforces this warped, passive vision of what it means to be a woman."

Cagen, 29, is not against setups or dating. She is emphatically not against sex. Rather, she writes, she is "anti dull relationship."

She reminds her followers of the power of not yearning for a relationship. "If you are in a relationship to feel normal," she writes, "get out."

Still, the dating industry steamrolls forward, particularly in online services, which claim a huge jump in membership in the last two years.

Although the services love to talk about the success stories, they also admit, more quietly, to the dropouts. Matchmaker.com says its internal surveys show that the No. 1 reason people leave is that they do not find the right person. Just below that is that they have met someone, and men are twice as likely as women to say they met that companion offline, not on. (Women who drop out after meeting someone are twice as likely to cite an online connection.)

Ethan Watters, the author of Urban Tribes, which began with his own exploration of why he had remained single into his 30s, said that as people delay marriage, they begin to rely more on friends and see relationships less as the missing piece that will complete their lives. "They realize that a good love affair has as the basis a really good friendship," he said.


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To: jrp
Move to a town in the Red district, find a young woman with strong values and commone sense, then snatch her up fast! My daughter is going to have SUCH an easy time landing a good man!
121 posted on 01/08/2004 3:06:42 PM PST by Marie (Laz, you touch my tag and die.)
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To: Our man in washington
The problem is that leftists rate certain accomplishments over others. Leftists rate performance artists over plumbers, sociologists over soldiers, and just about anyone over mothers. It's a very foolish standard of measurement.

On a related, and geeky note, I recall an episode of Star Trek (probably Voyager), in which the spokesperson for an alien society said that their society was so evolved that their highest achievement was their art. I don't think that statement is a good thing. It just means that their society lacks the capability to produce useful goods. Not that I dislike art (I like poetry, musicals, music, etc. a lot, actually), but I happen to think engineering is a worthwhile endeavor as well. I am an engineer, after all. I make things that people can use.

122 posted on 01/08/2004 3:17:06 PM PST by EvilOverlord (America....a shining city on a hill...freedom burning bright)
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To: rintense
I'm here, but the fellas seem to be doing just fine! LOL!
123 posted on 01/08/2004 3:17:51 PM PST by Marie (Laz, you touch my tag and die.)
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To: N. Theknow
"What's the strangest place your husband has ever asked you to have sex?"

LMAO! I DO remember that one!

124 posted on 01/08/2004 3:22:01 PM PST by Marie (Laz, you touch my tag and die.)
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To: IDontLikeToPayTaxes
...yeah I look for healthy looking women...they better have some meat on them ... EAT SOMETHING! darn it.

Speak for yourself ! I like girls that look like strippers that work-out. :) I certainly don't like chubby chicks, no way, no how.

You're confusing two totally different issues. No man in his right mind goes for chubby chicks, but not everyone likes hipless, curveless, boyish looking model types either. The majority of men prefer an "hourglass" figure... neither overweight nor excessively slender.

My wife ate a huge rare steak on our first date.... I was hooked. (Most chicks in Calif. are vegetarians, it seems.)

125 posted on 01/08/2004 3:24:09 PM PST by Rytwyng
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To: Tall_Texan
regarding backrubs...

You describe my ex-wife. She would ask for backrubs, which I would gladly give her. When I would ask for one, she would refuse, saying that she needed them to help her sleep, but I sleep just fine, so I don't need one. My marriage was a really one-sided affair. The net result here is that the back rubs stopped coming from my side as well.

This was not what ultimately ended the marriage, but is a hint of some major character flaws that I wish I had known about earlier.
126 posted on 01/08/2004 3:29:32 PM PST by EvilOverlord (America....a shining city on a hill...freedom burning bright)
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To: HitmanNY
I also include that my dream gal would be thrilled to see me come home and after the kids get to bed, be 'open for business' as I like to say, as I would show my gratidude, admiration, affection and love for her and her contributions. ;-)

I'd also note that if you plan to marry a woman over 30, and then have several children (presumably fairly quickly, before she reaches menopause), then you might find you have to compromise your standards in this area, at least for a while! Pregnancy/childbirth/nursing (repeat, repeat, repeat) wears a woman down a bit.

It would help a lot if your income extends to household help!

127 posted on 01/08/2004 3:30:31 PM PST by Tax-chick (I reserve the right to disclaim all January 2004 posts after the BABY is born!)
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To: pax_et_bonum
You can't really blame the guys for the sterotyping of us girls. As a group, we DO have a problem. I have about a dozen really good friends. TWO of them have their heads on straight. Both of them are happily married and off the market. This tells me that the good ones are snatched up young, manage to maintain a stable relationship and the single guys have greater odds of bumping into a disfunctional single female than a sweet, practical gal.
128 posted on 01/08/2004 3:31:07 PM PST by Marie (Laz, you touch my tag and die.)
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To: Xenalyte
The FR dating service is a WONDERFUL idea! Do it!
129 posted on 01/08/2004 3:31:56 PM PST by Marie (Laz, you touch my tag and die.)
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To: Mr. Jeeves
I met my wife on a Christian dating site (www.ChristianCafe.com); before she came along, I also met a lot of good women at the Christian section of www.MatchMaker.com. It worked for me, and it's worked for others I know.

If I were still single, however, I'd say that the Freeper Dating Service is a great idea.

130 posted on 01/08/2004 3:32:16 PM PST by Rytwyng
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To: Tax-chick
I only have one little jewel, but she's shaping up very well. In another 6 years she'll be knocking their socks off! :-)
131 posted on 01/08/2004 3:35:25 PM PST by Marie (Laz, you touch my tag and die.)
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To: jrp
How do you feel about the 2nd ammendment?

Do you want children? If you do, do you believe in spanking and not taking crap?

Would you be willing to support a stay at home mom?

Would you be happy as a stay at home mom?

Are you funny? (I know, I know. Looks aren't everything...)

We sould have one for ladies and ones for gents. Can I play??

132 posted on 01/08/2004 3:39:20 PM PST by Marie (Laz, you touch my tag and die.)
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To: warchild9
Question: how do you handle so many?

I know this question wasn't dirrected to me, but I have to say it anyway... humor, patience and a paddle.

133 posted on 01/08/2004 3:41:35 PM PST by Marie (Laz, you touch my tag and die.)
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To: warchild9
Sorry 'bout the typo! Shoot!
134 posted on 01/08/2004 3:42:47 PM PST by Marie (Laz, you touch my tag and die.)
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To: Marie
I have about a dozen really good friends. TWO of them have their heads on straight. Both of them are happily married and off the market. This tells me that the good ones are snatched up young, manage to maintain a stable relationship and the single guys have greater odds of bumping into a disfunctional single female than a sweet, practical gal.

This has been my observation too (for both guys and gals). If they're over 30 and never married, there's probably a reason.

135 posted on 01/08/2004 3:45:27 PM PST by SauronOfMordor (Nine out of the ten voices in my head told me to stay home and clean my guns today)
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To: Tax-chick
Thanks! Actually, I decided on new years that my time is coming, and set a 'upper limit' deadline for my wedding day, about 42 months from now. Could be sooner, could be later, but I am finally ready, I think, to be serious about it.

When I did my rap, the younger the woman (say 22-25 or so) would respond the poorest, and the mid to later 20s would respond poorly but privately were much more receptive to my message. Women in their early 30s, again, tend to make some noise but realize the wisdom in what I say.

I think the basic appeal of a message like mine is that it's rare. Few men think like I do. I've been called every name in the book for some of the opinions, but I've also known many receptive women who wouldn't admit to their girlfriends that the life I outline appeals to them, but privately were very agressive and lusty with me - so what is a man to do? ;-)

Good luck and God bless you and your family, you sound happy and that's the important thing. People really need to know what they want, be forward with it, and be willing to compromise and grow together.

And I'll get back to you about your pretty cousins! ;-)
136 posted on 01/08/2004 3:46:17 PM PST by HitmanLV (I will not be pushed, filed, stamped, indexed, briefed, debriefed or numbered. My life is my own.)
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To: HitmanNY
You sound like a good guy. I hope you can be understanding when the house falls apart because two of the three kids and mom were vomiting all day, when she decided not to bother with the dishes some nights after supper, when the housedress turns to sweats and your old t-shirt because she doesn't feel so bad when she spills bleach down the front and that you can laugh when you come home and find her in tears after she accidently turns her hair green.
137 posted on 01/08/2004 3:50:32 PM PST by Marie (Laz, you touch my tag and die.)
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To: Rytwyng
I feel like I've spent much of my adult single life online. When I found myself divorced and single 5 years ago, and my children grown, I took to the internet like a fish to water.
I've "met" some very nice men, and also the usual assortment of perverts.
My rule of thumb has always been to try to stay guarded, and use the same judgement you would if you met someone in person.
I've actually thought about writing a book about my online experiences....:)
138 posted on 01/08/2004 3:50:53 PM PST by LisaMalia (Buckeye Fan since birth!!)
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To: Mr. Jeeves
Someone, somewhere, is going to jump on this thread and start pushing the new "courtship" movement ("I Kissed Dating Goodbye" and similar books). Having very painfully learned how wrong this approach is -- and feeling a duty to warn people -- I'm not going to wait around for the courtship advocates to show up. I'm going to strike the first blow:

Although the courtship movement's critique is right on target with respect to what modern dating has degenerated to (as distinct from, say, dating in our grandparents' youth), the new courtship paradigm currently being promoted throught Christendom has two major flaws:

a)Courtship requires that the couple never be alone together -- this is defined as a "date" and is forbidden. However, this requirement for 100% supervision is nearly impossible to arrange, especially for adults with fulltime jobs, long commutes, etc. It's even harder if their families are non-Christian, broken, far away, or not willing to be involved. Friends and so-called "accountability couples" have busy lives of their own, and can usually chaperone only rarely.

So as a practical matter, it's nearly impossible to build a relationship in the modern world unless a couple is willing to "bend the rules" and do some one-on-one dating. To their credit, most courtship types will acknowledge this when pressed to the wall (or, when they get into a relationship themselves and discover it the hard way.)

b) Courtship has absolutely no mechanism for finding someone to court. Indeed, courtship isn't even supposed to begin until a man has already found a suitable woman, and is pretty darn near sure that he'll marry her if he wins her over -- only then is he permitted to approach the woman's father or guardian and request a courtship.

But, without how is a man ever supposed to find a woman? Only rarely does this happen through natural social circles (work, church, school, etc.) Courtship advocates actively discourage internet matchmaking, visiting other churches just to meet women, having friends set up blind dates, etc. Worse, they tell young folks, no romance till they're out of school - ignoring the fact that highschool and college are by far the best opportunities to meet someone.

With stances like that, how courters expect anyone to find mates is anybody's guess. All experience hath shewn, that for most people, if they don't get out and do some casual (but chaste) "shopping around"-type dating, marriage will never happen for them.

But courtship advocates, in my experience, are in total denial about this issue. Over and over, I challenged them, "How do I FIND someone to court?" They never had an answer for me, and the more I pressed the issue, the madder they got (a sure sign that people know, deep down, that they are wrong.)

So I stuck with dating, and I finally found someone.

139 posted on 01/08/2004 4:00:31 PM PST by Rytwyng (I kissed waiting goodbye....)
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To: Marie
Perfect. Xenalyte needs to hire you to handle the dating site content.
140 posted on 01/08/2004 4:03:50 PM PST by jrp
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