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Carry and Ammunition Suggestions for Condition Orange (Freeper Suggestions-Vanity)
The Usual Suspects ^ | 12/21/2003 | Section9

Posted on 12/21/2003 5:21:45 PM PST by section9

Well folks, it's that time of year again. Tom Ridge and the people at DHS have received the analysis of the chatter gathered by NRO, DIA, and other assorted alphabet agencies and it appears that the Rags have decided to do the whole Grinch thing.

Naturally, Americans can be an awfully accomodating bunch, in that 72 virgins kind of way, so I was wondering that given that the threat board just went to orange, what are the Best Practices for carry, ammunition, and accessories during this period. In other words, are you stuck with your 9mm when you're going about your Christmas shopping, or should one carry the 12 guage in the gun rack.

I'm serious, folks. I'm not being facetious. It only sounds that way. I have been expecting terrorists to make guerilla style attacks and acts of sabotage in the U.S. for two years now as an expression of Islamic "manhood". Unfortunately for them, there's something called the Second Amendment. So this thread is for practical suggestions for carry and concealment, choice of firearms and ammunition in a low intensity warfare environment, and of course, best practices for small unit tactics in case you run into the Madrass Jihad for Allah (as opposed to, say, the Campus Crusade for Christ).

Be Seeing You,

Chris


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To: 11Bush
I would say 30-06 but the .308/7.62 has the same ballistic signature. Plus my m-1a1 takes the 7.62.

You can pack just a little more powder behind the 30-06 if you are so inclined.

But now that I've said that, when I had my Girand re-barreled, I had it done in .308. Its just more common these days. When I had it re-barreled, you could buy match ammo cheaper in .308 than in .30-06. I haven't priced match ammo lately so I don't know if that still holds true.

141 posted on 12/21/2003 7:59:02 PM PST by meyer
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To: TC Rider
Yellow? Orange? It's all the same to me.

?Red, WTF. Same to me.

Got my spine, I got my Orange Crush.

142 posted on 12/21/2003 7:59:36 PM PST by CholeraJoe (PSST...Saddam! Do ya like Metallica? You're gonna hear alot of it for the next six months.)
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To: little jeremiah
Why not? My spouse wants a Glock, and we both have CC permits.

Get it for her. It's absolutely one of the most reliable handguns out there.

143 posted on 12/21/2003 7:59:48 PM PST by Euro-American Scum (A poverty-stricken middle class must be a disarmed middle class)
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To: section9
My Kahr P9 is small, though not too small (ultra-compact pistols have grips too short for your pinky), thin due to a single stack magazine (double stack magazines give more capacity, but increase the width of the pistol), fires a 9mm round which is sufficient to the task, shoots darn near as accurately as my Walther P99, has a very nice trigger, is light in weight, has a minimum of controls, and has quite acceptable recoil.

A Sig P239 also wouldn't be a bad choice.

144 posted on 12/21/2003 8:01:39 PM PST by Monitor (Gun control isn't about guns; it's about control.)
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To: section9; Eaker; wardaddy; Squantos; ExSoldier; Tijeras_Slim; river rat
So much depends on your temperment and mental capabilities. Any pistol .38 or better can be extremely effective for personal self defense against someone who doesn't know you have it until you pull it out and shoot. Even if it's some jihadist with a shotgun or rifle that's not pointed at you at that moment.

But if you're considering becoming an unofficial "first responder" to an incident, that opens up a whole case of worm cans. Then you should consider a 12 guage if that suits you, or a Sport Utility Rifle in .556mm, 7.62 Russian, or 7.62 Nato.

Just remember that as you go dashing in to engage the jihadis before they can kill more innocents, the first arriving police are likely to shoot you if they see you holding a weapon, before they sort out who's who.

145 posted on 12/21/2003 8:04:33 PM PST by Travis McGee (----- www.EnemiesForeignAndDomestic.com -----)
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To: section9

This one here is what I carry.
Home Depot Special.

146 posted on 12/21/2003 8:05:40 PM PST by Newbomb Turk
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To: ItisaReligionofPeace
Why not just use hollow points?

I believe that there are barriers that will frag a hollowpoint before they reach their target. Sometimes, people wear things that hollowpoints don't work well with. Like a heavy wool coat over a cotton Chamois shirt and a thermal undershirt. I can't say that the combination will stop a bullet, but premature expansion through thick clothing is likely with some expanding ammo. It doesn't hurt to have something that doesn't expand interspaced with the expanding stuff. IMHO, of course...

147 posted on 12/21/2003 8:07:41 PM PST by meyer
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To: Newbomb Turk
Re: 146 - that is very funny!!!
148 posted on 12/21/2003 8:09:33 PM PST by meyer
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To: 4ConservativeJustices; All
Do not buy Glock for concealed carry.

Sheesh. Do not OVERLOOK Glock for concealed carry. I like the 36 myself. Glock is THE gun for both the local Sheriff department and police.

149 posted on 12/21/2003 8:10:03 PM PST by 4CJ (Come along chihuahua, I want to hear you say yo quiero taco bell. - Nolu Chan, 28 Jul 2003)
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To: section9
Hmmm...I hadn't thought about it, but maybe it's time to put the revolver back in the glove compartment.
150 posted on 12/21/2003 8:10:06 PM PST by Palladin (Proud to be a FReeper!)
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To: Eaker
Make sure you keep that Glock in a holster, and DON'T "Mexican carry" it in your pants.

And be REAL careful holstering it...

151 posted on 12/21/2003 8:10:14 PM PST by Travis McGee (----- www.EnemiesForeignAndDomestic.com -----)
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To: meyer
Hmmm, I've never thought of that. Makes sense.
152 posted on 12/21/2003 8:10:44 PM PST by ItisaReligionofPeace (I'm from the government and I'm here to help.)
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To: meyer
My father has a garand that he 'found' at the end of the war and it is, of course, chambered for the 06. It can still put rounds in the black at 500 yards!
153 posted on 12/21/2003 8:11:53 PM PST by 11Bush
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To: section9
My personal choice:


154 posted on 12/21/2003 8:11:56 PM PST by TheBattman (Do it your way - just don't come crying to me when it doesn't work!)
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To: section9; NRA2BFree
Time to clean and lube the collection once more. Here's the drill:

Carry weapon: Glock 30 loaded with Federal 230 gr. Hydrashoks. And it goes everywhere I go.

Assorted other autos include Wilson Combat CQB, Para-Ord P14 Ltd., Sig P245 and lots more Glocks (I forget how many). All loaded the same.

My Glock 19 and Springfield XD9 are loaded up with Cor-Bon 9mm 124 +Ps (for the little woman -- and she knows how to put 'em where they belong).

Remington 870 is loaded with Federal 00 buckshot with slugs on the side saddle. Mossberg 500 loaded the same.

I've got SS-109s loaded in the AR and if I really need to reach out and touch someone, there's my M1A packing Federal 150 gr. .308 ammo.

A good idea is to have different weapons in different locations in case you have to bug out in a hurry. So, I'm set up in Nevada and Arizona in case Kali gets untenable. That is, more untenable than it already is.

155 posted on 12/21/2003 8:14:30 PM PST by Euro-American Scum (A poverty-stricken middle class must be a disarmed middle class)
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To: 11Bush
My father has a garand that he 'found' at the end of the war and it is, of course, chambered for the 06. It can still put rounds in the black at 500 yards!

Awesome weapon. My regular shooting partner has one. And it's good for a lot further than 500 yards in the hands of the right shooter.

156 posted on 12/21/2003 8:16:41 PM PST by Euro-American Scum (A poverty-stricken middle class must be a disarmed middle class)
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To: Travis McGee
Make sure you keep that Glock in a holster, and DON'T "Mexican carry" it in your pants.

And be REAL careful holstering it...

As a Glock-head, i can agree with the first half. As a gun owner, I can agree with the second half. I would never "Mexican" carry my glock unless the tube was empty. I have back-pocket carried with an empty barrel before, but that's not my normal mode of operation.

157 posted on 12/21/2003 8:17:12 PM PST by meyer
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To: Newbomb Turk; Eaker; humblegunner; Travis McGee; TexasCowboy; TEXASPROUD
EAKER..........you can blow em up and rebuild em with this one !!!

Very kewl Pic NT...........Stay Safe !

158 posted on 12/21/2003 8:17:24 PM PST by Squantos (Support Mental Health !........or........ I'LL KILL YOU !!!!)
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To: meyer; Eaker
OTOH, I think Eaker is brilliant to have the same Glock .40s stashed all over, with all family members equally trained up on them, and mags and ammo interchangeable like crazy if TSHTF.

That's smart.

159 posted on 12/21/2003 8:20:22 PM PST by Travis McGee (----- www.EnemiesForeignAndDomestic.com -----)
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To: 11Bush
My father has a garand that he 'found' at the end of the war and it is, of course, chambered for the 06. It can still put rounds in the black at 500 yards!

I got my Girand pretty Cheap in the early '80's, but the barrel was shot smooth and it was pitted. I had not choice but to re-barrel. At the time, my friend was shooting match with his M-14 (a great gun) and had a good line on .308 so I followed suit and rebarreled in the same caliber. It works fine in that mode, though I had one errant clip that wouldn't handle the slightly shorter cartridge.

160 posted on 12/21/2003 8:20:45 PM PST by meyer
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