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Are we at risk of losing our democratic form of government?
National Review (paper issue) | Dec. 22, 2003 | John O'Sullivan

Posted on 12/20/2003 8:08:44 AM PST by Clint Williams

In the latest National Review, John O'Sullivan writes, in "Debating Democracy: Can everyone go Athenian?" (pp.35-36):

"One. Democracy needs social, economic, and political underpinnings in order to flourish. These include the rule of law, a tradition of free speech and free inquiry, the concept of a loyal opposition, a private sector, and the development of a middle class used to making independent decisions.

Two. Democratic governments without these underpinnings tend to go off the rails. Zakaria* stresses the tendency of such governments to develop illiberal features - as in today's Russia. Sometimes democracy collapses altogether. Latin America and the Middle East furnish examples - Argentina, Brazil, Lebanon, Iraq - in which elected governments have been overthrown in military coups. ..."

(* "Conservative realist" Fareed Zakaria is author of "The Future of Freedom: Illiberal Democracy at Home and Abroad," the excerpt is from a debate about the book.)


TOPICS: Society
KEYWORDS: democracy; freedom; freespeech; johnosullivan; law
Looking at Zakaria's list, should one be concerned?

- The rule of law. One doesn't have to look far, or low, to find examples of judicial lawlessness. SCOTUS on the 1st Amendment, SCONJ on election laws, for just two examples. We no longer operate under a rule of law.

-A tradition of free speech. Gone. "Congress shall make no law... abridging the freedom of speech." Yet Congress has done just that. And SCOTUS has upheld it (see "The Rule of Law").

- The concept of a loyal opposition. Died under the Clintons. For the Democrats there is absolutely nothing but winning. Look at all their electoral abuses in 2000, not just in Florida but elsewhere. All signs are that this is but the beginning. And look how Hillary readily engaged in treason just to advance her agenda. (Speculation: Would not the election of a President Hillary signal the end of fair elections? Elections at all? A temporary emergency becomes permanent. Such has happened before.)

- A private sector. Dying. Overtaxed and overregulated, with increasing demands for the government to supply the services. Look at the medical sector, for example.

- The development of a middle class used to making independent decisions. ...and living with the results. Slowly dying. And becoming ever more accustomed to living within increasingly more constraining laws. Look, for example, at how meekly gun owners allow increasing restrictions on the purchase and possession of firearms. (Read the 2nd Amendment, see "The Rule of Law.") Or look at how the schools no longer teach independent thinking.

"Democratic governments without these underpinnings tend to go off the rails." Is the US on its way to going off the rails? These things happen slowly, in steps. We have seen it before:

"You see," my colleague went on, "one doesn't see exactly where or how to move. Believe me, this is true. Each act, each occasion, is worse than the last, but only a little worse. You wait for the next and the next. You wait for the one great shocking occasion, thinking that others, when such a shock comes, will join with you in resisting somehow. You don't want to act, or even to talk, alone; you don't want to "go out of your way to make trouble." Why not? - Well, you are not in the habit of doing it. And it is not just fear, fear of standing alone, that restrains you; it is also genuine uncertainty.

"Uncertainty is a very important factor, and, instead of decreasing as time goes on, it grows.  Outside, in the streets, in the general community, "everyone is happy.  One hears no protest, and certainly sees none.  You know, in --- or --- there will be slogans against the government painted on walls and fences; in ---, outside the great cities, perhaps, there is not even this.  In the university community, in your own community, you speak privately to your colleagues, some of whom certainly feel as you do; but what do they say?  They say, "It's not so bad" or "You're seeing things" or "You're an alarmist."

1 posted on 12/20/2003 8:08:44 AM PST by Clint Williams
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To: Clint Williams
"For the Democrats there is absolutely nothing but winning. Look at all their electoral abuses "

Just wait until next year!! I predict that the Dems will set a record for fraud. Why?? Nothing matters but winning.
Literally nothing else matters.
2 posted on 12/20/2003 8:20:10 AM PST by international american
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To: international american
The thing that is chilling is the way journalism not only is indifferent to vote fraud but is willing to manipulate the voter with PR stunts like calling Florida before all the polls were closed.

And the issue the next day, so journalists said, was the action of a Bush cousin in calling Florida right, and after the polls were all closed. Obscene.

3 posted on 12/20/2003 8:55:52 AM PST by conservatism_IS_compassion (Belief in your own objectivity is the essence of subjectivity.)
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To: conservatism_IS_compassion
It will be even worse next year, thanks to SCOTUS!!
4 posted on 12/20/2003 9:50:38 AM PST by international american
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To: international american
It will be worse next year.
5 posted on 12/20/2003 10:06:18 AM PST by Eala (Sacrificing tagline fame for... TRAD ANGLICAN RESOURCE PAGE: http://eala.freeservers.com/anglican)
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To: Clint Williams
Are we at risk of losing our democratic form of government?

Probably.

But let's be honest, here.

Taxation with representation isn't so hot either.

6 posted on 12/20/2003 10:29:40 AM PST by NeoCaveman (The only thing found in the middle of the road are yellow streaks and roadkill)
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To: dubyaismypresident
I love the movie "The Patriot" in which Mel Gibson says, "Why should I exchange one tyrant three thousand miles away for 3000 tyrants one mile away?"

Taxation with representation. Not 1000, but 535 of them in the US Capital.
7 posted on 12/20/2003 1:05:42 PM PST by Stephen Ritter (Constitution Party: The RIGHT party at the RIGHT time!!)
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To: dubyaismypresident
But let's be honest, here.
Taxation with representation isn't so hot either.

Not when the ruling classes draw district maps like this:

Is that "representation"...?

8 posted on 12/20/2003 3:39:16 PM PST by Eala (Sacrificing tagline fame for... TRAD ANGLICAN RESOURCE PAGE: http://eala.freeservers.com/anglican)
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To: Eala
Yikes. I guess the voter "profiling" technology has gotten really really good.
9 posted on 12/20/2003 3:50:27 PM PST by NeoCaveman (The only thing found in the middle of the road are yellow streaks and roadkill)
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To: Clint Williams
This should be required reading, too bad it is in Chat where no one will see it.
10 posted on 12/20/2003 3:51:49 PM PST by NeoCaveman (The only thing found in the middle of the road are yellow streaks and roadkill)
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To: dubyaismypresident
Yikes. I guess the voter "profiling" technology has gotten really really good.

Yes it has!

11 posted on 12/20/2003 4:22:40 PM PST by Eala (Sacrificing tagline fame for... TRAD ANGLICAN RESOURCE PAGE: http://eala.freeservers.com/anglican)
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To: dubyaismypresident; Admin Moderator
It's a vanity, so I was attempting to respect Admin Moderator's wishes.
Can it be moved? Should I repost in a different forum?
12 posted on 12/20/2003 4:56:34 PM PST by Clint Williams
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To: Clint Williams
read later - LAW
13 posted on 12/20/2003 7:09:24 PM PST by LiteKeeper
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To: Clint Williams
Definitely. Any concession to Globalism and multiculturalism stomps on our freedoms. It's killing this country. Our jobs are gone, our freedom of speech is gone, the alien/foreign thing is just out of control and Americans no longer recognize their nation. And the politicians are selling us right down the tubes. NWO anyone?
14 posted on 12/20/2003 9:56:05 PM PST by ETERNAL WARMING
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