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To: MamaDearest
We're in northern Idaho and have been stocking up gallon containers of water and buying extra canned goods, matches, etc. every time we go to the store. We keep our cars filled with gasoline and have a spare gas can (just in case we need it)..

A good approach, IMHO, and one I've implemented as well. We have nearly a year's worth of stored grains (I use it for bread and cereal also, so is something I have on hand anyway) and at least a month's water. We could stay put for quite some time unless being heavily dosed by gamma rad or in the path of a nasty chem leak or attack headed our way.

We also keep our cars full, and spare gas. I ran out during the power outage, and was in bad shape getting back home. That was no fun, and nothing I want to repeat anytime soon.

Other things to consider: NukAlert (rad detector), N95+ masks, alternative cooking fuel (see nitropak.com, they have good options here), waterproof matches, first aid, toilet paper & bucket toilet w/LOTS of heavy garbage bags, tools, hand cranked mill for grains, etc.

I also don't think any of this is nuts at all, and you raise a great point about the fact that the bad guys are already living among us (insane border policies and all), and that they want to kill as many of us as they can - quite possibly w/WMD.

Hey..when I read about NEST being out (on CNN.COM no less), it is time for prudent people to pay attention. Too many of our friends and neighbors are busy "living large" and laughing at those of us who are concerned. Yet, I think we live in very dangerous times - and there is NO telling what will happen (just like we couldn't predict airplanes leveling the WTC).

Just MHO!

14,658 posted on 01/24/2004 10:55:20 AM PST by jstolzen (Worry is the thief of joy.)
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To: jstolzen
All of those things you have are made necessary by our open border policy. Here is a very long article that is very interesting for those who have the time and worry about our border security.
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The Open Borders Lobby and the Nation's Security After 9/11
By William Hawkins and Erin Anderson
FrontPageMagazine.com | January 21, 2004


Forward – by David Horowitz


There are few issues so important to the life of a nation as the integrity of its borders and the nature of its citizenship. These are issues that define its identity and shape its future. When a nation is at war, moreover, its ability to regulate and control its borders is a security matter of paramount importance.


As Hawkins and Anderson show, the open borders campaign was already instrumental in damaging the nation’s ability to defend itself before 9/11. Yet not even this terrible event has caused its activists to have second thoughts, or tempered their reckless attacks. Instead, the open borders lobby has expanded its efforts to eliminate America’s border controls to include the active defense of terrorists and terrorist organizations and a continuing assault on the very policies the federal government has adopted to defend its citizens from terrorist attacks.

The United States has at sea the largest navy in the world and is developing a national missile defense system to frustrate overt military attacks on the country. But the day-to-day security of its borders is a broken system that has been unable to stop small groups of terrorists, let alone a mass migration that outnumbers the largest armies of history. It is estimated that 700,000 illegal immigrants simply walked across the U.S.-Mexican border last year and moved inland without interception by the thinly deployed Border Patrol.[5] The demographic shifts caused by unregulated mass immigration can have adverse impacts on national stability that rival or surpass the effects of war.

http://www.frontpagemag.com/articles/readarticle.asp?ID=11838
14,661 posted on 01/24/2004 11:02:50 AM PST by WestCoastGal ("Hire paranoids, they may have a high false alarm rate, but they discover all the plots" Rumsfeld)
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To: jstolzen
It could be nothing at all - or it could end up that "Mad Max" wasn't so far from reality. I'm not gambling my family's security in the event something does happen. I pray that never does.
14,700 posted on 01/24/2004 1:01:51 PM PST by MamaDearest (Outsource this!)
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To: jstolzen; MamaDearest
I know quite a bit about composting toilets and other primitve methods of dealing with human waste. This unattractive subject is of vital importance should water or sewage run into problems, for whatever reason. Not only have I studied the subject, but have lived with primitive "outhouse" situations many times over the course of my life. I could post some observations and advice here, or people interested could freepmail me. One of the main causes of disease is human waste not taken care of properly. I know someone who lived in SF at the time of the Loma Linda earthquake, and he said people were pooping in bathtubs, filling up non-functioning toilets, etc.

Unless someone lives in a tiny studio apartment, there are good, clean and simple methods that just take a little preparation. Plastic bags are better than nothing, but not a good longterm solution, and eventually you run out of bags, and then you have to figure out what to do with them.
14,752 posted on 01/24/2004 3:23:16 PM PST by little jeremiah
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To: jstolzen
Each city should look in their transient hotels, which we have many of in Chicago, especially in the black neighborhoods where everyone minds their own business
14,871 posted on 01/24/2004 8:49:21 PM PST by JustPiper (Register Republican BUT Write-In Tancredo for March !!!!)
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