Al Qaeda again threatens New York, Washington and Los Angeles - Daily Terror Threat

Debka ^ | 11-3-2003 | Staff

[tubavil]

Monday, November 3, 2003

A new message was posted in the last few hours by the Jeddah-based al-Qaeda-linked Al-Islah (Reform) society calling on Muslims to flee New York, Washington and Los Angeles in advance of major al Qaeda attacks in those cities. This is revealed by DEBKAfile.

The message accuses the United States of predetermining its end (doom) by its policies. ?The Jews rule the Pentagon by remote control and (are the cause) of Muslims being killed in every corner of the world. The United States should therefore expect more blows.?

The message is signed on behalf of the al Bayan (The Threat) movement by ?your warrior brother, Abul Hassan al Khadrami?.

Our Muslim expert identifies the name of the signatory as belonging to a Yemeni from Hadhrameuth, the Bin Ladens? place of origin where Osama enjoys substantial tribal support.

DEBKAfile?s counter-terror sources stress that warnings appearing on these forums are taken both very seriously and with caution by the intelligence services keeping track of the terrorist network?s electronic traffic.

Last November, Jeddah-based fundamentalist forums addressed a message to an Al Qaeda member, saying whoever understands ? understands; whoever knows, knows, but we are marching towards an operation that will take us to Paradise. Three days later, the Mombasa Paradise hotel was blown up killing 12 Kenyans and 3 Israelis and a failed shoulder-launched Strela anti-air missile missed an Israeli airliner at Mombasa airport.

Link to Thread 2

[Ogmios]

I know that they hate us all, but the we conservatives are their biggest danger, the liberals are thier greatest asset, at least in this country.

It makes no sense to take out your allies and appeasers first, as a matter of fact, it is downright stupid.

That's all I was saying.

[Sabertooth]

BTW, don't forget this guy...

Investigators release sketch of Arson suspect [some of CA fires]

[Sabertooth]

BTW, don't forget this guy...

Investigators release sketch of Arson suspect [some of CA fires]

[Reborn]

When I click your link I get this message:

The requested document does not exist on this server.

Is there another link, this looks too good to miss!

[the gillman@blacklagoon.com]

The lunar eclipse on the ninth is supposed to be a total eclipse and it's also a full moon.

The solar of the 23rd is also a total but I don't think it can be seen from east coast America.

[Sabertooth]

Link at #202 is bad, but #203 is good. Sorry about that.

[Nataku X]

Where can this lunar/solar eclipse be seen?

[Vigilantcitizen]

I have to back up rintense, who I have seen post many words in defense of American muslims while responding to "All Muslims are evil" rants.

[the gillman@blacklagoon.com]

The solar eclipse is also on the darkest moon, if it makes any difference.

[kinghorse]

If LA, DC and NYC suffer a nuke attack, we are out of world affairs for the foreseeable future. Every soldier will be recalled to help with relief and reconstruction efforts. We won't be mounting a counterattack. We will be harrassed out of every place that our prior might allowed us access. Afghanistan will flip in about 2 weeks. Saudi Arabia will probably flip too. If we go neighbor against neighbor all the better for the enemy to galvanize support. No answers to this threat other than to retreat and care for the wounded and displaced.

[cdrw]

I agree. I've read a bunch of Debka stuff and they do seem to enjoy going out on a limb with speculative stories that will inevitably look like amazing scoops once in a while if for no reason other than luck.

But ... Ramadan, Bin Laden tapes, public debate among al Qaida types about Muslim collateral damage, eclipses, we're just far enough from the presidential elections for the patriotic outpouring to have decayed into a treasonous chorus of democratic accusations by election day ... it is entirely plausible to me that a warning could precede an attack and that an attack could be imminent.

I'm not headed for the hills but I've turned up the power on my radar. I watch the financial markets and have seen no signs of mysterious dumping but if I do ... I'll pack the emergency supplies just in case and the radar will go to full power.

[Sabertooth]

Is there another link, this looks too good to miss!

Yeah, sorry, I messed it up. Need to remember to double-check my links before posting.

Here it is again...

Islam Eclipse Now? - Ramadan 2003 and Muslim Prophecy

[the gillman@blacklagoon.com]

I think the solar will just be the southern hemispere over Australia(?)

Map here;

http://sunearth.gsfc.nasa.gov/eclipse/TSE2003/TSE2003.html

[rintense]

Thank you. Just boils my blood when folks make completely unsubstantiated remarks.

[kinghorse]

against whom? Our erstwhile allies, Pak and SA are trying to help us.

[dirtboy]

I invite you to look at the posts up to #49. How many of them bashed AQ and how many bashed the original poster or Debka? Its cool to have fun, but calling someone a jerk? C'mon who is being the real jerk around here?

It was an absolutely despicable comparision, and you know it. You even said you wouldn't have said it earlier. It's a variation of the classic strawman argument used by Debka supporters, and it usually goes as such: Debka critics say that Debka lies. Debka critics are not also criticizing the NY Times in that thread. Therefore, Debka critics think the NY Times is a better source of news than Debka. In this case, the poster took it one further by using al Qaeda, which was truly asinine - just because the Debka critics were not also immediately ripping into al Qaeda ON THE SAME THREAD, we are being more critical of Debka than al Qaeda. That, quite frankly, is a pantload.

What lies do you keep referring to?

I personally caught Debka lying about the weather in Afghanistan a couple of years ago, along with other aspects of a story on that conflict. That's the point - in situations where we can gather some independent facts, the "big news" stories from Debka usually end up being full of hot air.

How can one validate chatter on an AQ site?

In this case, we saw this posted briefly here on FR. And I was one of the four posters who ripped into the poster before the thread was yanked. I also sent notification to the FBI that such thread was posted, just in case it might help them trace the poster. But apparently to the poster of this threat, I'm more critical of Debka than al Qaeda.

Debka posts articles that in many cases cannot be validated. By the way, Debka was first to point out the transport of Gold & WMDs into Syria during the beginning of the Iraq invasion.

Debka does get some stories correct. However, you simply cannot tell when they are being factual or not - and since we've caught them in deliberate lies enough times, it calls into question their veracity on any article that cannot be independently verified. It's just like the NY Times - once you're caught deliberately lying, it's very hard to earn back credibility.

[Reborn]

Ahhhh, thank you for this link!!! I've got it! : )

[PureSolace]

Time to put on my tinfoil hat and speculate a bit. So we have the Lunar Eclipse on the 9th, the Solar Eclipse on the 23rd... But I haven't seen anyone post anything about a holiday of American importance... Thanksgiving? Isn't that Macy's Day Parade in N.Y.C. on Thanksgiving? not to mention all the football games. Just throwing my thoughts into the squared circle. God Bless America!

[m1-lightning]

I read the comment: Interesting that there's about 5x more hostility expressed toward Debka than AQ.

The difference is that it wasn't posted to you nor was about you specifically. My complaint is about the direct personal attacks. We could do without them.

Checking the veracity of media sources is one of the key functions of FR.

I totally agree with you there. I don't post threads unless they come from valid news sources. I questioned this article before it was even posted. The difference between this article from Debkha and whatever lies you've caught them in from the past is that there is something there. I've been researching communist message boards recently and found that the majority of the peace protest in Washington have been planned on those message boards.

[rintense]

Schools and pro sports stadiums have always been my biggest fear as far as human targets.