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The Trump-Putin Ukraine Summit is Doomed to Fail
National Security Journal ^ | 8/12/2025 | Robert E. Kelly

Posted on 08/12/2025 11:08:44 AM PDT by whyilovetexas111

The upcoming one-on-one summit between Presidents Trump and Putin is unlikely to produce a lasting peace because Ukraine, the primary combatant, is not at the table. The bilateral format plays into Vladimir Putin’s imperial mindset, creating visuals of great-power parity and evoking historical comparisons to the disastrous Yalta and Munich conferences where smaller nations’ fates were decided for them.

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TOPICS: Government; History; Military/Veterans; Politics
KEYWORDS: blogpimp; donaldtrump; ofcourseitis; putin; russia; ukraine; whyiloveblogpimps111; whyuhatetexas111
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To: whyilovetexas111

nonsense.


21 posted on 08/12/2025 11:40:05 AM PDT by Williams (Thank God for the election of President Trump!)
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To: whyilovetexas111

It’s quite simple. According to Vance, the US is ‘done’ funding Ukraine. Ukraine needs the US to continue humanitarian aid, pay the pensions and salaries of Ukrainian’s government workers, and basically fuel their economy and supply emergency services funding etc. Without the US, NATO cannot continue its proxy war against Russia.

Zelensky and NATO tried throughout the war to start WWIII in order to draw the US into it. That was the plan for a small country like Ukraine to win against Russia. Even now, Zelensky and NATO refuse to agree to a peace treaty without security guarantees from the US. The US knows that such guarantees would require them to enter the war against Russia when, not if, NATO/Zelensky provoked or framed Russia AGAIN. Recall that Zelensky’s military fired a missile into Poland and instantly blamed Russia? Even after Biden announced that it was determined the missile was Ukrainian air defense, Zelensky kept insisting it was RussiaRussiaRussia, because that would involve the US.

So, no, the US isn’t going to get involved in Ukraine. Therefore Zelensky will not accept any peace agreement if he attended.

Also, the Ukraine is losing this war but Zelensky/NATO want to keep it going until they get the US involved, while claiming they want to force Russia to retreat as if defeated (they need an excuse, right?). So, Zelensky/NATO won’t agree to any normal war time concessions or land swaps. So there’s no point in Zelensky attending any meeting with Putin and Trump....ever.

So the US and Putin can announce some treaty and the US can then go home and take all funding of Ukraine with it, back to the US. From there, the US need not involve itself.

Eventually the US will help a fallen Ukraine survive, but not fight. First, NATO/Ukraine have to stop denying reality, and stop trying to get the US to fight Russia for them.


22 posted on 08/12/2025 11:40:20 AM PDT by ransomnote (IN GOD WE TRUST)
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To: whyilovetexas111

Trump just wants to tell Putin to his face - no deal.


23 posted on 08/12/2025 11:44:44 AM PDT by 1Old Pro
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To: Peter ODonnell

That was a great post, except for this part: “nobody in America...wanted this war except a few people looking to make a buck”.

On the contrary, some very important people in America, including Hillary Clinton, Victoria Nuland, Robert Kaplan, John McCain, Barack Obama, Martin Frost (NED), Anthony Blinken, Jake Sullivan and John Brennan wanted nothing but this war, and worked very hard to make it happen.


24 posted on 08/12/2025 11:53:47 AM PDT by Jim Noble (Assez de mensonges et de phrases)
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To: whyilovetexas111

It will be less likely to fail if the solution is negotiated secretly in advance and neither side — and that includes Trump — tries to get it all.


25 posted on 08/12/2025 11:56:38 AM PDT by Socon-Econ (adi)
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To: whyilovetexas111

Sounds like a journal for upset neocons.


26 posted on 08/12/2025 12:06:47 PM PDT by desertfreedom765
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To: Allegra

>>goats

Never seen this. Absolutely brilliant!


27 posted on 08/12/2025 12:08:01 PM PDT by mairdie
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To: whyilovetexas111
Sounds like wishful thinking on the part of a neocon seeking to keep the war going.

Trump needs to negotiate the best deal he can get, tell Zelensky to sign off on it and then eliminate our involvement with war if he won't.

Getting us out of the war is the only priority that matters.

28 posted on 08/12/2025 12:10:32 PM PDT by Kazan
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To: whyilovetexas111

I think Zelensky should be asked to fly to DC and then fly with Trump to Alaska.

On the way to Alaska, the intelligence Trump gets can be read by Zelensky.

Unfortunately, the bargaining power of Ukraine has been dropping since the summer of 2023.

Riding with Trump to Alska might enable Ukraine to get a better deal.

What the Russians now want is lines on maps. Russia and Russians can live with what they have snatched, or another 100,000 or so Russian soldiers can die.


29 posted on 08/12/2025 12:24:42 PM PDT by Brian Griffin
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To: whyilovetexas111

comparing this to yalta shows a monumental stupidity


30 posted on 08/12/2025 12:25:36 PM PDT by pissant ((Deport 'em all))
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To: whyilovetexas111

Have you ever been around a married couple who hate on each other and bicker and fight, and they just won’t stop?

For some of them, they won’t stop because they like it. Fighting gives them some dark joy.

The Russians are still fighting because they like it.


31 posted on 08/12/2025 12:27:38 PM PDT by lurk (u)
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To: whyilovetexas111
The point is to get some movement. If Trump has gotten both sides to just think about a land swap that could lead to a lasting peace that's a huge gain.

Reminds me of TR's negotiations with Japan and Russia: neither side was happy with the treaty but the peace held until WWII.

32 posted on 08/12/2025 12:29:25 PM PDT by pierrem15 ("Massacrez-les, car le seigneur connait les siens" )
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To: ransomnote
Zelensky and NATO tried throughout the war to start WWIII in order to draw the US into it.

Russia started the war in an act of blatant territorial aggression not seen in Europe since WWII, and for which men were hanged at Nuremberg. If the war had expanded, that too would have been Russia's fault, since it could have ceased and withdrawn at any time.

If Trump hadn't been cheated of victory in 2020, Putin would never have invaded.

33 posted on 08/12/2025 12:35:59 PM PDT by pierrem15 ("Massacrez-les, car le seigneur connait les siens" )
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To: whyilovetexas111

ph


34 posted on 08/12/2025 12:43:09 PM PDT by xone ( )
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To: pierrem15
In the Bloggers & Personal forum, on a thread titled The Trump-Putin Ukraine Summit is Doomed to Fail , pierrem15 wrote:
Zelensky and NATO tried throughout the war to start WWIII in order to draw the US into it.

Russia started the war in an act of blatant territorial aggression not seen in Europe since WWII, and for which men were hanged at Nuremberg. If the war had expanded, that too would have been Russia's fault, since it could have ceased and withdrawn at any time.

If Trump hadn't been cheated of victory in 2020, Putin would never have invaded.

No. Ukraine is NATO's proxy war. President Trump said that many Americans don't realize our own State Department helped overthrow the Ukraine in 2014. Our CIA, Barbra NUland, is on tape picking officials for the new government the globalists were installing in Ukraine. From there, NATO allies (globalists) built up an army to take on Putin, dug intrenchments and worked at provoking Putin, ignoring Putin's demands for a UN investigation of biowarfare labs in Ukraine (accusations that bio agents were being tested on unwitting citizens and Russian soldiers), and talking up having Ukraine join NATO, a well-known (internationally) red line for Putin.

I do believe President Trump's statement that if he were president, Putin would not have invaded. But President Trump would have used his influence to address the investigation of the 20 or so US biolabs, including Biden's, in Ukraine. President Trump would have removed support from NATO to stop NATO from funding and fueling this war. Trump could put pressure on both NATO and Putin and in that manner, kept the peace. Everything would have been different.


35 posted on 08/12/2025 12:46:49 PM PDT by ransomnote (IN GOD WE TRUST)
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To: Alberta's Child

“Ukraine is not at the table because it’s not a “primary combatant.” It’s a vassal state of the U.S., doing the bidding of Beltway war”mongering globalists.”

Thinking eludes you I guess, when so many conspiratorial narratives require zero thinking to adopt.


36 posted on 08/12/2025 12:54:23 PM PDT by Wuli (uire)
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To: Kazan

“Trump needs to negotiate the best deal he can get, tell Zelensky to sign off on it and then eliminate our involvement with war if he won’t.”

The US Department of State and Trump needs to make sure Zelensky understands where Ukraine stands so a realistic deal can be crafted.

Zelensky is then going to have to negotiate with Putin.

We don’t want any Ukrainian to think the US and Trump ‘sold’ Ukraine out so Trump might win a peace prize.

Trump loves to make deals. But in real estate, rising prices can make bad deals seem good. That’s not common in other endeavors.

*****

Vlad:

For the last few days it was Zelensky’s turn to be realistic. Now it is your turn to be realistic.

Don

*****

Other than that, let Zelensky and Putin negotiate.


37 posted on 08/12/2025 12:57:01 PM PDT by Brian Griffin
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To: Alberta's Child

Someone posted this on FR a few days ago:

“There is no deal unless Ukraine is onboard. If you have not figured it out yet, Ukraine is fighting for their existence and will fight even without the US. Anything else is just wishful thinking.”


38 posted on 08/12/2025 1:04:59 PM PDT by Brian Griffin
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To: Wuli

Zelensky has unrealistic expectations about expelling Russia from Crimea and the four oblasts. Ukraine does not have the manpower nor the equipment to do this. Therefore, he is an impediment to a timely peace.agreement. Trump will simply tell him that he has to accept what is negotiated with Putin. He will also tell Zelensky that there will be no more shipments of weapons for the war.


39 posted on 08/12/2025 1:07:16 PM PDT by phil00071
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To: whyilovetexas111
I am optimistic that we are going to see a deal between President Trump and Russia that leads to a cease fire in the near term

This will allow the suspension of martial law and the election of a leader who represents the will of the Ukrainian people

I hope the rhetoric from Zelensky and the EU is mostly performance art and posturing

Regardless, this meeting is likely the end of the road for the Trump Team if the Ukraine and the EU pull one of their patented monkey wrench opps on the Trump peace initiative.

If so, this meeting is the hand off of the war in Ukraine from the US to the EU and it gives Trump the perfect pretext to walk away without getting blamed for the impending disaster in the Ukraine when funding and weapons authorization ends in a couple months

40 posted on 08/12/2025 1:08:40 PM PDT by rdcbn1 (..when poets buy guns, tourist season is over................Walter R. Mead.)
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