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Wars are never “ finished” until Unconditional Surrender occurs from one side. The US has not won one war since WWII. This mess is just beginning.
1 posted on 06/30/2025 6:55:05 AM PDT by delta7
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To: delta7

The author wants a finish like the Afghanistan war.


2 posted on 06/30/2025 6:57:40 AM PDT by alternatives?
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To: delta7

Oh gee. Another propaganda,piece for forever war. Whatcha shock.


3 posted on 06/30/2025 7:03:54 AM PDT by Seruzawa ("The Political left is the Garden of Eden of incompetence" - Marx the Smarter (Groucho))
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To: delta7
A decapitation strike in every sense.

Every sense but one: The Ayatollah and his mullahs are still there.

I smell the hand of getting Saudi buy-in here.

4 posted on 06/30/2025 7:05:28 AM PDT by Carry_Okie (The tree of liberty needs a rope.)
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To: delta7

Ok please enough with this unconditional surrender stuff.

It prolongs wars and makes the enemy fight with harder resolve.

You just have to have tougher conditional terms:
1. Replace the Mullahs and clerics with the Prince of the late Shaw and have them executed or sent to Guantanamo bay for a 50 year vacation.
2. Allow Israel and US military to have control of all Iranian nuclear forces and facilities for X years
3. Keep and allied military force to help the Prince institute some sort of pro-western government and weed out the radicals for X years.

Etc


6 posted on 06/30/2025 7:16:44 AM PDT by Phoenix8
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To: delta7

Agree with this author. Hudna dimmie translation cease fire, mullah translation reloading.


11 posted on 06/30/2025 7:42:09 AM PDT by kvanbrunt2
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To: delta7

Israel is never allowed to win a war any more, not since 1967.

And the U.S. has put itself in that position also, quite voluntarily and, I might add, quite stupidly.

I would personally rather see neither country need to get involved in any wars in the future. But the question is, “how do we accomplish that at the lowest possible cost?“ Because, let’s not kid ourselves, there are some very bad actors around the world, and they have both us and Israel (and the rest of Western Civilization, but they are mostly useless in defending even themselves - they exist because we do) in their sights. To me, the most effective way to deter future conflict that originates from our enemies involves more short-term cost, but most definite long-term gains. That way is actually quite simple: when either Israel or the United States get involved in a war, prosecute it until the other side is forced to unconditionally surrender. That will involve an awful lot of public pressure being brought to bear against rither nation, and particularly against Israel, but if their enemy in such a conflict is completely demolished, the deterrent effect of that on future enemies would be enormous. As it is, all that the enemies of Western Civilization need to do is suck up a lot of punishment, knowing that we or Israel will go away soon enough, because of our moral cowardice in the face of rhetorical pressure from the rest of the world.

Again, I’d rather see no more conflicts in the future anywhere, but that does not reflect humanity’s history, nor the current world situation. There is going to be conflict in the future, and it is the job of sensible and rational people with some intestinal fortitude to make sure that the number of such conflicts is reduced to the minimum possible. That can only be accomplished with great strength - not just military strength, but most particularly great moral strength to see the thing through. What would the world look like today if the allied nations had tired of war by late 1944? After all, the cost in blood and treasure was enormous, and in the case of both Germany and Japan it was known that there would be further enormous costs until they were defeated. Both Nazi Germany and imperial Japan would have survived, and the world would be unrecognizable today. Instead, the leaders of the United States, the Soviet Union and the UK (no one else mattered that much ) understood that our mutual enemies needed to be utterly destroyed, if there was to be any hope for a peaceful world (for a while) after their defeat.

Peace is achieved through strength, military strength to be sure, but most particularly through the moral strength necessary to complete a hard and costly job.


16 posted on 06/30/2025 8:07:45 AM PDT by Ancesthntr ("The right to buy weapons is the right to be free." The Weapons Shops of Isher)
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To: delta7

Well, right now there are mor important thinks that need attention. We cannot afford a forever war, unless we sacrifice this nation. Without this nation, the whole world falls into utter chaos.
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So, while the author is correct, he misses the bigger picture. Also, it is time for the people of Iran to rise up and fight their leadership. If they do it, they may just receive the help they need from the world community assisting them, if they ask for it.


18 posted on 06/30/2025 8:22:07 AM PDT by Robert DeLong
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If the “Job” was regime change, it is not the United States’ job to do.


22 posted on 06/30/2025 10:01:56 AM PDT by Buckeye Battle Cry (Progressivism is socialism. Venezuela is how it ends.)
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Re: "The war was an estimated 10 to 12 days from complete success."

Sorry, I do not believe that.

Without Regime change, there will be no domestic change in Iran.

As long as the Mullahs hold the reins of domestic government, their income and their foreign policy will never change.

23 posted on 06/30/2025 10:07:02 AM PDT by zeestephen (Trump Landslide? Kamala lost the election by 230,000 votes, in WI, MI, and PA.)
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If the Iranian leaders are left alive then they will try to build a nuclear bomb. They know that Trump will be gone in a few short years and they hope a democrat will become president again.


28 posted on 07/01/2025 1:23:19 AM PDT by minnesota_bound (Making money now. Still want much more.)
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