Posted on 03/13/2025 10:55:04 PM PDT by ganeemead
So you believe the aid to Ukraine is corrupt, you have no idea how much arrived in Ukraine, or in the hands of Mexican cartels as Tucker and Gen Douglas MacGregor believe, but your support remains strong? This isn't terribly bright, and thankfully DJT isn't putting up with it.
I don’t know of any pro pitin that have got the zot, but I know some
Anti Russia invasion folks who have, names are not the point.
The gist of the bans and suspensions have been because they were critical of President Trump, and the reason we were given was the president took a bullet so no criticism is allowed.
My defense was free speech, and others still here constantly insult, degrade and post juvenile memes that not only add nothing, but are against FR rules,but was told to pound sand.
My point is that President Trump’s skin is not as thin as some here.
Deciding what speech is allowed, means someday your speech may be deemed unacceptable.
No I don’t agree with the way the aid was given for multiple reasons, but interestingly enough I don’t see criticism of tax payer dollars still heading to Ukraine under President Trump.
To compare DJT effort to bring peace to that of a notorious Hitler appeaser is Zot worthy. That is what was weighed not free speech.
Okay Jon, ease the blood pressure
Uh, no. I don’t really “follow “ anybody’s comments here. I do have a life.
If I supported xiden signing(if he actually did) the pact act, then I am 100% xiden supporter????
WTH are you even going on about? What “pact act?” And stop attributing comments to me that I didn’t make. You zeepers all do that.
You’re tired lol
Aaaannnd, there if is. The personal insult because I disagree with you. 😂
Sod off, Slav.
I tried to have a reasonable discussion with the wanker. But, as usual, it’s really not a viable concept. Trying to reason with a leftist is a waste of time. The minute you present a valid point, they start with the insults. Zeepers. LOL
I know this and yet, I still find myself trying to have a rational discussion with a zeeper. What was I thinking? 😅
exactly, this one is a Dimwit. He deserves no respect.
“ WTH are you even going on about? What “pact act? ”
To a veteran, esp one who has served in a combat zone, the PACT Act is a very big deal, and you would be very aware of what it was and what it means to veterans. So let me explain the “WTH” I am going on about.
The PACT Act is a law passed by congress and signed(or auto penned), by Biden. Prior to this law a veteran had to prove that a disease or condition he had was caused by exposure to toxins from burn pits, open sewage, depleted uranium, oil fire smoke, agent orange….., after the law was passed these diseases were considered presumptive. In other words, the veteran did not have to prove cause, just that they were exposed, therefore treatment was guaranteed not subject to approval or disapproval by a bureaucrat.
Example, many Vietnam veterans who were denied care for conditions arising from exposure to agent orange previously, are now getting treatment.
That is a very big “WTH” deal wouldn’t you agree?
So as a Jon/allegra FR Conservative, should I not give him credit for signing that bill and making it Law, because I despise 99% of what he did?
As to Ukraine, not wishing to put words in your mouth, I see 3 basic points that the usuals, as I call them, have.
Ukraine means nothing to us, Russia is justified in their actions, Ukraine is corrupt, NATO expansion, nazis, saving “ethnic” Russians…., and lastly American taxpayers should not be funding Ukraine, and Biden was wrong to do so.
The first two we will never agree on, IMO, but the third is curious. As I have explained, I think reasonably, Ukraine should be funded to defeat the aggression and invasion of Ukraine and to that broad topic I agree with the Biden administration.
Where I disagree is with how it was done. Too little, too late, and with too( hey Jon is that proper use of “too”) many restrictions. As to the corruption and fraud within the aid you will not get an argument from me, but that is being addressed and leads to my final point/ question.
I can give credit where credit is due, and criticize where that is due. My ideological beliefs are not based on party affiliation. If it is right, it is right, and if it is wrong, it is wrong.
If American taxpayers should not be funding aid to Ukraine, why is President Trump sending it now, including taxpayer funded intelligence?
If it was wrong under biden, it is wrong under President Trump.
Yes they are. Anyone like you who calls Donald Trump "Neville Chamberland" simply for wanting peace, resides on the political left.
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As to the chamberlain reference, I can see speedy’s point.
Putting words in my mouth, seeing his point, which is part of debate, and agreeing are two different things. As always taking out of context, and if you care to quote the rest of what I have said you would show that I had a wait and see attitude, and my wait and see proved that President Trump resumed aid and intelligence sharing.
I appreciate you pulling that quote entirely out of context, but I noticed you have not answered my question.
If giving taxpayer funds to Ukraine under Biden was wrong, is it right now under President Trump?
Your own words supported Speedy and his contention that DJT was acting akin to Neville Chamberland. Feel free to amend your comment, but you said what you said. As far as DJT supporting Ukraine to the extent that Biden did, he isn’t and more important he won’t. He has alternatively turned on and off the supplies, using it as a cudgel to bludgeon Zelensky to the Peace table. He hasn’t as yet given taxpayers money to the Thief, unlike your Biden.
Yes I support speedy’s and pif making their comments as I do yours. I certainly don’t agree with yours and as my comments have shown I don’t agree with theirs.
Now this I like
“. He hasn’t as yet given taxpayers money to the Thief, unlike your Biden.”
So many things here,
First, as I have explained many times, in reasonable conversation, I can agree with something someone does if I think it is right and still be 99% opposed to “your Biden “
Second, nice try. As you have made quite clear no US taxpayer funding should be going to Ukraine. Taxpayer funding is going to Ukraine under President Trump, and you have no idea how that finding is being spent.
Be consistent if you are critical of biden sending taxpayer dollars to Ukraine, then you should be critical of President Trump for doing it as well. Nothing wrong with that.
Mature adult positions develop and change as both time and information add to one's original thought. Looking back three years, if someone still isn't able to acknowledge that the start of this war preceded 2/24/22 (at least to 2014 and the Maidan color revolution, with the involvement of Victoria Nuland, McCain and Graham) then they are either dishonest or stupid. In either case, President Trump should never be compared to Neville Chamberland. That remains Zot-worthy.
If I supported xiden signing(if he actually did) the pact act, then I am 100% xiden supporter????
It was incoherent, rambling and irrelevant to anything I had said. It was a typical zeeper trick of putting *your* words into someone else’s mouth and responding as if that’s what I said. I didn’t say anything remotely resembling what you implied and you know it.
This is why I don’t like talking to leftists. You’re disingenuous by nature.
I’m done with you and your whiny nonsense. I will permit you to have the last word. I probably won’t read it, but have at it.
Yep. There it is for all to see.
https://freerepublic.com/focus/bloggers/4219673/posts?page=13131#13131
You are claiming North Koreans are fighting in Kursk. You are a lone voice in the Biden sea of shrinking propoganda.
Don’t evade, support your claims and Trump sending troops to Kursk according to you.
To: Jumper
You are claiming that American POWs serving in the Ukraine military are being executed on the spot when captured by the armed forces of the Putin and Kim Jong Un war when they are identified as Americans, but it isn’t being being reported by Western media?
You also say that our military and government is sending American GIs who are being summarily executed when captured, what does this government say about it, has Trump or Rubio, or Hegseth complained about the murders yet?
33 posted on 3/14/2025, 7:55:31 AM by ansel12
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