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Matthew Livelsberger is a patsy, the question is for who and what purpose?
Thread Reader ^ | Jan 2 , 2025 | Green Beret Nap Time

Posted on 01/04/2025 6:19:47 AM PST by george76

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To: SaxxonWoods

If the manifesto about Chinese drones was really his then he was very coherent at a minimum.


41 posted on 01/04/2025 6:57:56 AM PST by cgbg (It is time to pull the Deep State out of the mass media--like ticks from a dog.)
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To: Sarcazmo
It is interesting that his wife’s anti Trump comments was from a long time ago

And THAT was his first wife. My conclusion is a vet with untreated PTSD lost his mind. Our crap mental health care system failed miserably. His untreated mental condition cooked and cooked day after day. And he decided to end it all with a bang.
42 posted on 01/04/2025 6:58:05 AM PST by mmichaels1970 ( )
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To: nitzy

Oh, really! If true, he, unfortunately , would not be the first man tricked into raising some other man’s children, without ever knowing the truth.


43 posted on 01/04/2025 6:58:45 AM PST by lee martell
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To: Jarhead9297

The tin foil is extremely shiny for this writer.


Only for distractors.

Look what all we’ve witnessed happening over the past 15 years ++.

The only ones calling this ‘tin foil’ and ‘conspiracy theory’ are the ones who believe/promote that gov’t agencies have our best interests at heart.


44 posted on 01/04/2025 6:59:13 AM PST by Jane Long (Jesus is Lord!)
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To: cgbg

Well that was quick.

Hey, wasn’t there some kerfuffle about some drones way back like two weeks ago?

Gotta keep the schedule tight or the American mind doesn’t remember. Two weeks is pushing it.

Thanks for the link, I’ll have a look. The investigators were nice enough to excerpt the parts they really wanted to emphasize for us.


45 posted on 01/04/2025 6:59:21 AM PST by Sarcazmo (Dr. Sarcazmo esq. DDS, CCNA)
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To: Steven Tyler

Yep.


46 posted on 01/04/2025 7:00:47 AM PST by Jane Long (Jesus is Lord!)
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To: Sarcazmo; Jane Long; Candor7; Grampa Dave; grey_whiskers; marktwain

We cannot trust any of the information contained in the emails or messages from Matt Livelsberger after December 29th when his Signal safety number was changed.

For those of you unfamiliar with Signal, it is a peer to peer encrypted messaging app that assigns you a unique safety number based off of your phone and SIM card.

It only changes if your Signal account is loaded onto a new phone or SIM.

It automatically lets everyone in conversations with you know if your safety number has changed.

Matt’s changed on the 29th.

All information sent by Matt after the 29th must be treated as misinformation. The emails to Shawn and Sam were sent on the 31st.

Why hasn’t this been addressed?

https://x.com/GBNT1952/status/1875338551560229157


47 posted on 01/04/2025 7:01:52 AM PST by george76 (Ward Churchill : Fake Indian, Fake Scholarship, and Fake Art)
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To: Sarcazmo

His drone claims (Chinese drones) are worth discussing.

They would explain blatant .gov lying since .gov never likes to acknowledge gaping holes in national defense.

His method of delivering the message was also reasonable and clever.


48 posted on 01/04/2025 7:03:24 AM PST by cgbg (It is time to pull the Deep State out of the mass media--like ticks from a dog.)
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To: george76

My thinking exactly. I’m not a veteran but have a lot of friends who retired from the army and know enough to know this scenario smells to high heaven.


49 posted on 01/04/2025 7:10:06 AM PST by 6ppc (During times of universal deceit, telling the truth becomes a revolutionary act -George Orwell)
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To: Jane Long

I don’t know if this guy was revealing the truth in his manifesto, I agree with you, we know the government lies to the people on just about everything.

It does amaze me how many on FR dismiss everything and have it all figured out based on nothing but what the government has released about this guy, and we’re supposed to be the Tin Foil Hat Crowd.

Personally, I with you this situation does stink, the guy could have taken down the building but didn’t, we are told he killed himself with a 50-caliber pistol, we all saw the explosion, yet every day we are seeing pictures of things discovered inside the truck, except for the person who was burned beyond recognition.

Until I see more concrete proof either way, I’m not ruling anything in or out.


51 posted on 01/04/2025 7:13:49 AM PST by srmanuel ( )
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To: cgbg

Interesting. Not buying the email even a little bit. The trouble is, the alleged gripes he has does not match the action taken.

As have said before, he should have driven a Chinese car to Delaware for it to match.

The self driving only being enabled by an attentive person is interesting, but could likely be hacked. If that is possible, it wouldn’t be something that would be spread around.

Yeah, this one is fishy AF.


52 posted on 01/04/2025 7:13:52 AM PST by Sarcazmo (Dr. Sarcazmo esq. DDS, CCNA)
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To: nitzy

But then there are the reports saying that his wife left him the day after Christmas saying HE was unfaithful. And the reports saying she hadn’t seen him at all in the few days before he rented the vehicle.

IOW, none of the stories match but they all seem to be developing their own narrative for why he did this, if indeed he did this.

Somebody needs to develop a timeline of data points we know to be accurate. For instance, on what day was the encryption key changed, on what date was the email sent, on what date was the vehicle rented (and by whom, using what contact info), etc.

It will tell us a lot when Musk gets the video from the vehicle.

Why would anybody test the dead guy’s DNA against Livelsberger’s children, when the military has DNA on file for identification purposes in the case of death? How would they even get the DNA of any children? That would require a warrant, I would think, and what possible reason could they give for a warrant? Why is the public relations person for the department of the Army saying stuff like this? The whole thing smells of cover-up and narratives being manufactured.

It would be really nice if we had sources we could trust, but the people whose only real job is to be credible have long ago sold that birthright for a bowl of soup. So we’re left with nobody to trust, which means that any enemy who wants to come in and confuse the nation can do it very, very easily. It’s a national security risk, created deliberately by the people who are supposed to be protecting us. And instead of dealing with this as if it meant anything, our govt has instead called US the crazy people.


53 posted on 01/04/2025 7:14:26 AM PST by butterdezillion
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To: george76
...his Signal safety number changed just before the explosion...

Find out who has the authority to change numbers. Start there.

54 posted on 01/04/2025 7:16:28 AM PST by Libloather (Why do climate change hoax deniers live in mansions on the beach?)
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To: george76

So what do we know about his actions/movements/communications before the safety number changed?


56 posted on 01/04/2025 7:18:36 AM PST by butterdezillion
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To: george76

Thank you for this information!

That was the part I didn’t understand.

So how do we know it changed? Which messages were sent with the old number and have been made public?

Do any of them indicate anything suspicious was happening?


57 posted on 01/04/2025 7:18:40 AM PST by nitzy (Everything makes sense once you realize that we don't rule over ourselves and our rulers hate us.)
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To: 9YearLurker
Of course, the entire Republican Party eventually elevated that former CIA chief from veep to prez in the WH.

With a lot of help from Lee Atwater who evidently helped script that phony Clint Eastwood impersonation of "Read my lips, no new taxes."

That and making mincemeat of a doofus like Dukakis which was not rocket science.

Daddy Bush got his comeuppance.

When your campaign for the first term rests solely on the pledge made, your campaign for the second term rests solely on the pledge broken.

58 posted on 01/04/2025 7:19:15 AM PST by Biblebelter
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To: george76

Dear fbi, this wasn’t a terror attack. I mean it. Sincerely, dead assclown.


59 posted on 01/04/2025 7:20:26 AM PST by rktman (Destroy America from within ? Check! WTH? Enlisted USN 1967 to end up with this💩? 🚫💉! 🇮🇱👍!)
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To: butterdezillion

Amen


60 posted on 01/04/2025 7:21:55 AM PST by nitzy (Everything makes sense once you realize that we don't rule over ourselves and our rulers hate us.)
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