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Matthew Livelsberger is a patsy, the question is for who and what purpose?
Thread Reader ^ | Jan 2 , 2025 | Green Beret Nap Time

Posted on 01/04/2025 6:19:47 AM PST by george76

Matthew Livelsberger is a patsy, the question is for who and what purpose?

Let's break down why I think this is true by going through everything that we know so far, a thread:

There is still a lot we do not know about Matthew Livelsberger, the alleged Vegas bomber, but here is what we do know and there is a lot that does not add up:

He recently made the E8 list for MSG in 2023 in an 18Z slot, which means he was a Special Forces soldier and if he pinned, would have still been on Active Duty. This also means he was well within his Team Sergeant time.

He was an 18E, Special Forces Communications Sergeant and then went to the Fox course to become an 18F, Intelligence Sergeant before making the E8 list.

He also apparently was Small Unmanned Aircraft Systems (SUAS) qualified, which implies he had training as a drone pilot. I'm submitting a FOIA request for his military records, but expect that to take some time.

He rented the Cybertruck from Turo, the same company that the NOLA terrorist used. The back of the truck was full of mortar fireworks, gasoline canisters, and campfire fuel canisters, which are all combustible but would not be ideal for an explosion to create maximum damage.

Here is the crazy part, with the level of experience that he had, how does it make sense that he would rent a Cybertruck, which are known to be bulletproof, and fill it with ineffective explosives that he would know would not actually damage much, if anything?

The front windows of the building did not even break.

The other crazy part, his wife, Sara Livelsberger, has multiple anti-Trump posts on her social media from years and years ago. So, if he was radicalized, if this all was an attempt to hurt people and destroy a Trump building, why would he go about it in such an incompetent and ineffective manner?

Lots not adding up here. Will add more as information comes to light.

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The first and most obvious reason is because the police have reported that he died from a GSW to his head 'prior' to the explosion, yet there were no reported gunshots in the 15-20 seconds before the Cybertruck exploded.

Needless to say, it is odd that one would shoot themselves in the head with a 50-caliber Desert Eagle right before blowing themselves up. It simply makes no sense.

I've seen some people saying, "maybe he did not want to burn to death so he shot himself first," but I believe that is silly. Any professional trying to carry out an actual attack would want to ensure their explosion went off without issue. They would not kill themselves before hand and take the chance of wasting the opportunity.

Also, the rifle he supposedly had in the vehicle had no iron sights nor any other optics, which basically makes it worthless for any type of engagement. Another red flag.

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The second reason is because he was a highly experienced Special Forces soldier that would not have created such an abomination of an explosive device that was both silly and ineffective.

He was SF for long enough to have used a CARVER matrix and to understand basic explosives. If the intent was political, the intent was missed due to the second-rate explosive he supposedly used.

We are trained in Home Made Explosives (HMEs). He could have gotten everything he needed from a local hardware store to level the entire bottom floor of the Trump hotel. There is simply no way he thought the combustibles he had in the back of that bulletproof truck would have been enough to do any damage to anything.

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The third reason is that his Signal safety number changed just before the explosion, and then somehow his photo and safety number changed AFTER the explosion.

Clearly this was manipulated by somebody other than him, as he was deceased and would not have been able to change anything. Find who changed his signal info and you find who shot him in the head. x.com/APhilosophae/s… The fourth reason is that GBs that knew him are convinced that he could not have done this, nor would have had any reason to do so.

@angertab has also reported that he was approached by someone pretending to be a GB previously on his team, claiming that Matthew was suicidal so that it would be recorded if they reported it.

Again, find who this person is, and you likely find the culprit behind the entire thing.

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The fifth reason is that he was still Active Duty, had just had a 6 month old baby with his new wife, and had a literal multitude of jobs ahead of him when he retired.

Yes, I understand that sometimes people end their own lives for one reason or another and it does not make sense to us, but all of this coupled with the evidence we have so far makes me believe that he was, indeed, a patsy.

We need to see every single piece of evidence from this investigation and if anything is withheld, then it only further confirms my suspicions that this was a setup to frame one of our best soldiers with a heinous crime.

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Also, on a side note, the 50 cal shot to his head ensured that his entire head was little more than splatter, destroying any hope of obtaining and matching dental records in the process.

Tell me how this smells…


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To: ansel12

She can’t have been that mad if they’re texting how cool the cybertruck was. If she was mad enough to leave, she’d been telling him to take his gf on a ride in it or worse.


181 posted on 01/04/2025 10:51:30 AM PST by bgill
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To: george76

“Pawn” - rather than ‘patsy’ - is more appropriate.

The game has only just begun.

And nearly everyone is looking the wrong way...as intended.


182 posted on 01/04/2025 10:53:00 AM PST by logi_cal869 (-cynicus the "concern troll" a/o 10/03/2018 /!i!! &@$%&*(@ -)
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To: george76

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183 posted on 01/04/2025 10:59:08 AM PST by thesearethetimes... (Had I brought Christ with me, the outcome would have been different. Dr.Eric Cunningham)
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To: bgill

“””””She can’t have been that mad if they’re texting how cool the cybertruck was. If she was mad enough to leave, she’d been telling him to take his gf on a ride in it or worse.”””””

That was one of his girlfriends he was talking to about the truck, not his wife.


184 posted on 01/04/2025 11:02:32 AM PST by ansel12 ((NATO warrior under Reagan, and RA under Nixon, bemoaning the pro-Russians from Vietnam to Ukraine.))
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To: XRdsRev

“Suicide in the military is a serious problem.”

True—but that tells us nothing about this case.


185 posted on 01/04/2025 11:07:17 AM PST by cgbg (It is time to pull the Deep State out of the mass media--like ticks from a dog.)
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To: E. Pluribus Unum

Since we do not have all the details, we must use supposition at this point but yes he could used have common easily available cannon fuse. Measure out a certain length (which burns at an exact time rate) light it, close the bed and drive up to the front of the hotel, commit suicide while the fuse is burning and the explosion would happen when the fuse eventually burns down to the charge. Actually very simple and plausible.


186 posted on 01/04/2025 11:19:59 AM PST by XRdsRev (Justice for Bernell Trammell, black Trump supporter, executed in the street in broad daylight 2020.)
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To: SaxxonWoods
Not anyone’s patsy, just a guy who went off the deep end mentally. Some people need everything to be a conspiracy.

The duded was active SF, supposedly. The screening process for those guys is quite significant, making them far less likely to go "off the deep end" than your average Joe.

To me, a scenario in which a Green Beret blows himself up in a car with fireworks outside a hotel just to make some kind of lame point is asinine. Some useless, pointless desperate act like that is something that powerless people without any real resources do, which definitely doesn't describe this guy.
187 posted on 01/04/2025 11:53:00 AM PST by fr_freak (So foul a sky clears not without a storm.)
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To: XRdsRev

?? I was here before you started saying dumb things.

Anyhoo. Have you seen my new tag line? I’m a lot smarter than I was since we last talked. Not too good for you, but my advice is better, so I guess its win-win.


188 posted on 01/04/2025 11:53:16 AM PST by Sarcazmo (Dr. Sarcazmo esq. DDS, CCNA)
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To: XRdsRev

Actually a 20 foot roll of safety fuse (available at any decent firework store) would give you about 9 minutes from when it was lit to when it would burn through, based on a 27 seconds per inch burn rate.


189 posted on 01/04/2025 11:53:34 AM PST by XRdsRev (Justice for Bernell Trammell, black Trump supporter, executed in the street in broad daylight 2020.)
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To: Sarcazmo
If a kid lies to his dad 40 times in a row and gets caught, who believes him on the 41st time? Do you? Or do you check it out a little? At least think about it a little harder?

Shoot. We've had people on here whose response to such things is, essentially, "If the news organizations were lying to us we would have seen something about it on TV."
190 posted on 01/04/2025 11:56:12 AM PST by fr_freak (So foul a sky clears not without a storm.)
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To: larrytown

“He was subject to the same foibles and failings as the rest of us.”

Nope. They check for that when you enter military, they check harder when you go SF, they check even harder when you get a clearance, and they check harder when you get a high one with read-ons.

Your argument is on the fringe of the bell curve, meaning it is possible but not likely. This is how ‘tards argue.

I’m starting to smell something here Larry. And it’s not good.


191 posted on 01/04/2025 12:00:53 PM PST by Sarcazmo (Dr. Sarcazmo esq. DDS, CCNA)
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To: Sarcazmo

advice is as good as what we pay for it, which is nothing.

PS - Until they catch Bernell Trammell’s killer, my tagline stays the same.


192 posted on 01/04/2025 12:04:51 PM PST by XRdsRev (Justice for Bernell Trammell, black Trump supporter, executed in the street in broad daylight 2020.)
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To: XRdsRev

He was a trained demolition expert.

But if you want to think he would use a toy fuse to set it off, be my guest.


193 posted on 01/04/2025 12:04:55 PM PST by E. Pluribus Unum (The worst thing about censorship is █████ ██ ████ ████ ████ █ ███████ ████. FJB.)
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To: fr_freak

XD XD

A lot of this stuff we fall for over and over again.

Like the bit where they trot a bunch of chicks out claiming they were molested. That worked like 20 times in a row. I think as a group we have finally figured that one out.

The ‘ol white guy killed a poor black guy still is good for riots, but it seems like it’s getting worn.

The one I’m worried about is the new technique of dreaded disease. That shit better not work again or I’m going to be pissed.


194 posted on 01/04/2025 12:06:37 PM PST by Sarcazmo (Dr. Sarcazmo esq. DDS, CCNA)
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To: cgbg
One of my favorite conspiracy theories is that the Intelligence Agencies dump lots of idiotic conspiracy theories all over the Internet to discredit conspiracy theories in general.

One of my favorite conspiracy theories is that the CIA invented the term "conspiracy theory" to use as a tool for discrediting any reasonable analysis of events or behavior whatsoever. It is a control term similar to "racism" or "homophobia", used to shut down discussion and debate immediately, to relegate any conclusion from the use of your own eyes, ears and brain to some easily dismissible category of mental derangement without the need to refute a thing.

For example, one could say that it is self-evident that federal agents murdered scores of men, women, and children at Waco, Texas, but then some yahoo just says "Oh that's just a conspiracy theory" and voila! serious discussion is ended.
195 posted on 01/04/2025 12:08:53 PM PST by fr_freak (So foul a sky clears not without a storm.)
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To: XRdsRev

That’s true when it comes from normal people, but I’d refer you back to my tagline there.


196 posted on 01/04/2025 12:09:57 PM PST by Sarcazmo (Dr. Sarcazmo esq. DDS, CCNA, DVM)
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To: Sarcazmo

Well yours is expert opinion not just run of the mill advice. Does that work ??


197 posted on 01/04/2025 12:15:39 PM PST by XRdsRev (Justice for Bernell Trammell, black Trump supporter, executed in the street in broad daylight 2020.)
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To: larrytown
"I’ll go out on a limb and suggest the guy snapped and was operating in kookland. Primary reason a lot of his actions don’t make sense."

A normal person would have just shot himself instead of making a spectacle of himself. He could have still left a manifesto for police to find. He had to be cuckoo to eliminate himself just when there was hope for change in this country. Pretty stupid thing to do in my opinion. Suicide is a cowardly act to begin with. I read he refused to go for therapy.

198 posted on 01/04/2025 12:27:10 PM PST by mass55th (“Courage is being scared to death, but saddling up anyway.” ― John Wayne)
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To: Sarcazmo

I’m guessing it’s your own breath.

Have a great day.


199 posted on 01/04/2025 12:42:47 PM PST by larrytown (A Cadet will not lie, cheat, steal, or tolerate those who do. Then they graduate...)
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To: logi_cal869
...the question is for who and what purpose?

“Pawn” - rather than ‘patsy’ - is more appropriate.

That is always a key question; however, it would appear ML, the driver, ML, was well down on the decision list and likely thought he was involved in a different operation.

My answer to the question as I argued a few days ago is, "higher command".

200 posted on 01/04/2025 12:55:31 PM PST by frog in a pot (Obama, Hillary, Biden & Harris each earning +48% of the pop vote presents more than election issues.)
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