Posted on 12/28/2024 6:39:57 PM PST by conservative98
It’s just that in my line of work, on-the-job experience is far more important than academic credentials over the long term. That’s why the perfect career scenario for a professional in my field five years out of college includes the following:
1. Six years of work experience (that means 1+ years in an internship or co-op program).
2. A master’s degree completed on a part-time basis (you can’t do it full time and get the work experience), or at least a partially completed M.S. with graduate courses directly related to our line of work.
3. Professional licensure (which requires an minimum of 3-4 years of applicable work experience).
I don’t hire people from top STEM programs and/or those with 4.0 GPAs and/or those with more academic credentials than I can count.
I also don’t hire H1B visa holders, either. :-)
It makes sense in engineering, often, to require on the job training, because
1) in theory, theory and practice are the same, but in practice, they’re not
2) there are all kinds of hands on issues and how-tos that never get covered in a classroom, and for which you need flexibility to think, not just do a lookup table or canned-software answer
3) “engineering” is extremely broad, and a mechanical engineer .ne. civil engineer .ne.
chem engineer, shading into materials science.
But, engineering isn’t the only field in which H1-Bs have been brought in.
Musk has asked for H1-Bs for engiineers for Tesla, but some of the other H1-B requests were for video game reviewers and English teachers.
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I have long said that IT and related fields are really a gray area that touches on electrical engineering technology and computer science. In some jurisdictions a “computer engineer” or “software engineer” isn’t even considered an engineer for professional licensing purposes.
Missed this response; your later query of my personal list now sounds reasonable, not trool-like.
Apologies for that specific retort.
No worries at all. You’re a good, veteran Freeper!! Cheers!
You are certainly entitled to think that I am the problem, but I have created thousands of high paying American jobs as a result of this crazy work ethic. I didn’t ask others to work that hard, I only drove myself that hard. As an example, General Electric was also trying to create one of the products I developed in a startup, spent literally billions on the effort, and they failed. I came as an immigrant, didn’t fail, and created 1500 jobs just on that one. As I said, I worked very hard, but I didn’t force or even ask others to so as well. I don’t see that as a problem unless you think people shouldn’t have the opportunity to have high paying jobs.
The problem is when people get worked past the the bone and the managers laugh about it and pocket the profits.
And then make up lies which are pushed as hard as the ‘racism” angle to cover up the mass rapes of underaged girls by Pakistanis in England.
Funny you should mention, for example, GE. Jack “Neutron” Welch said, “We didn’t give them lifetime employment, we gave them lifetime employability.”
Which was and is an utter bald faced lie: even as he negotiated for $2 million/year FOR LIFE after he retired — at least until his wife’s divorce lawyers got ahold of it (he gave her “lifetime marriageability” too, leaving her for, IIRC, the editor of Harvard Business Review, who had interviewed him, and who was, again IIRC, only 42.)
Or you have the running mate of the runner-up GOP Presidential nominee to Trump in 2016 Carly Fiorian, who said in public “no American has a right to a job.”
And Elon Musk is without human excuse. I excoriated Microsoft a number of years ago for hiring H1-Bs when they had $52 billion in cash which they literally had no idea how to deploy, so they paid it stockholders (executives) as a one-time divident. They could have invested it in T-bills or similar and used the risk-free interest to pay the American programmers.
But Elons is the richest human ever to have walked the face of the planet, and the H1-B databases shows he has hiring H1-Bs for quite pedestrian engineering jobs, in the roughly $85k - $95k salary range. Absolutely no business need in this world or the next, it can only be raw greed and entitlement.
The problem isn’t just that they’re lies; they are lies that are so baldfaced, that even a Democrat or a two-year old would blush from shame at the thought of them.
I am glad that you have had success through hard work; but others are driven to work, and not only are given none of the benefits, but are discarded like husks — the equivalent of the legendary robber baron factory owner looking at a workman dismembered by a piece of equipment and shouting at him, “Stop bleeding on my floor!”
Signing off before I keep myself up another two hours.
Have I ever told you about the time I got 20 minutes sleep on Easter Sunday?
All young boys, need to explore and experiment, not sit in class listen-learning.
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