Yep which is why I'll never support Nimirata Nikki Randhawa
Posted on 12/28/2024 6:39:57 PM PST by conservative98
There’s a raging debate on X right now about H1B visas and Vivek Ramaswamy is getting slammed for suggesting American culture is bad and thus can’t product high level talent that top tech companies want.
Let’s start back from the beginning:
THE HILL – Elon Musk and Vivek Ramaswamy, co-chairs of President-elect Trump’s new “Department of Government Efficiency,” are defending the tech industry’s reliance on foreign-born engineers as the incoming Trump administration prepares to crack down on immigration.
Musk and Ramaswamy both pointed to a lack of engineers stateside.
“The number of people who are super talented engineers AND super motivated in the USA is far too low,” Musk wrote in a Wednesday post on his social platform X.
When another user suggested the Tesla and SpaceX CEO was denying opportunities to Americans, Musk argued that the poster’s understanding of the situation was “upside-down and backwards.”
“OF COURSE my companies and I would prefer to hire Americans and we DO, as that is MUCH easier than going through the incredibly painful and slow work visa process,” the tech billionaire said. “HOWEVER, there is a dire shortage of extremely talented and motivated engineers in America.”
This is where Ramaswamy steps into it, blaming tv shows that promote ‘mediocrity’ on a culture that can’t product top talent:
The reason top tech companies often hire foreign-born & first-generation engineers over “native” Americans isn’t because of an innate American IQ deficit (a lazy & wrong explanation). A key part of it comes down to the c-word: culture. Tough questions demand tough answers & if we’re really serious about fixing the problem, we have to confront the TRUTH:
Our American culture has venerated mediocrity over excellence for way too long (at least since the 90s and likely longer). That doesn’t start in college, it starts YOUNG.
A culture that celebrates the prom queen over the math olympiad champ, or the jock over the valedictorian, will not produce the best engineers.
A culture that venerates Cory from “Boy Meets World,” or Zach & Slater over Screech in “Saved by the Bell,” or ‘Stefan’ over Steve Urkel in “Family Matters,” will not produce the best engineers.
(Fact: I know *multiple* sets of immigrant parents in the 90s who actively limited how much their kids could watch those TV shows precisely because they promoted mediocrity…and their kids went on to become wildly successful STEM graduates).
More movies like Whiplash, fewer reruns of “Friends.” More math tutoring, fewer sleepovers. More weekend science competitions, fewer Saturday morning cartoons. More books, less TV. More creating, less “chillin.” More extracurriculars, less “hanging out at the mall.”
Most normal American parents look skeptically at “those kinds of parents.” More normal American kids view such “those kinds of kids” with scorn. If you grow up aspiring to normalcy, normalcy is what you will achieve.
Now close your eyes & visualize which families you knew in the 90s (or even now) who raise their kids according to one model versus the other. Be brutally honest.
“Normalcy” doesn’t cut it in a hyper-competitive global market for technical talent. And if we pretend like it does, we’ll have our asses handed to us by China.
This can be our Sputnik moment. We’ve awaken from slumber before & we can do it again. Trump’s election hopefully marks the beginning of a new golden era in America, but only if our culture fully wakes up. A culture that once again prioritizes achievement over normalcy; excellence over mediocrity; nerdiness over conformity; hard work over laziness.
That’s the work we have cut out for us, rather than wallowing in victimhood & just wishing (or legislating) alternative hiring practices into existence. I’m confident we can do it.
This didn’t go over well with everyone…
Even Nikki Haley chimed in, saying there is nothing wrong with American culture…
The press secretary for DeSantis also suggested the problem isn’t American culture, but mass immigration and quoted Governor DeSantis:
Vivek isn’t wrong that we have a problem with American culture but it’s not what he suggests. It isn’t TV shows and movies that produce mediocrity. No, this has a lot to do with the breakdown of the family, with the inability or unwillingness of parents to push their children to excel academically instead of endlessly playing video games or sitting in front of a TV. Also many of our schools have big problems producing excellence as well. But I think it all starts with the breakdown of the family, ie. fatherless children and single mothers working multiple jobs to make ends meet while their children are at home doing whatever they want. And this is a product of the Godless left.
But that being said, I don’t know how much that really plays into this problem of top-level talent. It may have some effect, but I also agree with fact that mass immigration is a big culprit, in that it provides the cheap labor that companies want. This is a battle we’ve been fighting for decades, not just against the left, but against the Chamber of Commerce types in the Republican party for decades who want the left’s version of immigration so they can reap the benefits of cheap labor.
Look, I have never disagreed with merit-based immigration, especially when it comes to top level talent. We want the best and the brightest no matter where they are from as long as they are willing to assimilate. But we want it on our terms.
Let me quote the Great Mark Levin from over a decade ago:
"And what do we the people want? We want our border secured. And let me go even further. Let me make it absolutely clear to every foreigner outside this country.
This country belongs to us; it doesn’t belong to you. It doesn’t belong to the 7 billion other people all over the world.
You see the way it’s supposed to work is we decide who gets to come here. We decide the standards. We decide the requirements. We want to know who you are. We want to know what you’re going to – (ready for this one?) – contribute to this society, not take from this society.
You see because I want to make it very very clear to the left, to the media and even some ‘Repubicans’ and even some TV and radio hosts.
There’s nothing compassionate about the downfall of America! There’s nothing compassionate about the hollowing out of our society! There’s nothing compassionate about bankrupting our children and grandchildren, destroying our school system, destroying local law enforcement and hospitals, what’s been built up over 200 years.
It’s one thing to export our viewpoints, our economic ideas, our governing ideas. But it’s quite another to import the views, the culture and the destitution of the third world. Because that is national suicide. And any thinking person who is not playing politics, who’s not a demagogue, who’s not a propagandist, any thinking person regardless of party, ethnicity, or anything else knows I’m right!
This isn’t about voting as far as I’m concerned. This isn’t about pandering to this group or that group as far as I’m concerned. This is about preserving what’s left of this Republic."
Ummmm get a globe and dictionary please. Your ignorance is showing 😳 Filipina... really?
If the Indian culture is superior why are the majority of Indians living in poverty? Where are the inventions and excellence in India? Why are so many Indians wanting to come to the USA for poor wages, long hours and to live in group apartments?
Indian education system is poor, slipshod and the HB1 workers are renowned for poor work ethics and lack of basic knowledge.
A large % of HB1 workers are recruited for low skill jobs such as cashiers, truck drivers, low level clerks.
Firstly, not ALL H1B workers are from India. You make this assumption solely based on Viveks heritage. Additionally, not all India people are on an equal footing.
India, to this day has a Caste System. You cannot discuss India’s H1B workers without thoroughly understanding that system.
My son and daughter attend STEM Universities, as did I many years ago. They tell me that they are a minority in their University. Most of their classmates are Foreigners. When they were in HS they both told me that their classmates had no desire or ability to study or excel in math or science.
This is EXACTLY what Elon and Vivek are speaking to!
To deny that the American School System has totally failed in these areas and that American Parents have also FAILED in these areas is to Deny Reality!
Link to see cooks hired as HB1
https://x.com/DC_Draino/status/1873108357063819462
The Telsa listing are of interest
“You mean like all these entry level sub 80,000 paid HB1 engineers from tesla? There might be a needle in the haystack, but don’t get it wrong, this is big tech getting cheap labour at the expense of American jobs.”
https://x.com/bubblegut007/status/1873189101031309679
100% true. Academic types are ridiculed so the mediocre can get a laugh out of it and feel good about being mediocre. Forget Saved by the bell. Look at Big Bang Theory. Why is it so popular ? Because everybody gets to laugh at socially inept geeks.
I would say his culture.
buwaya is from is from the Philippines and filapina is the effeminate form of the word filipino, hence me using the Spanish word filapina.
You strike me as somewhat slow. I guess you were too dumb to look up the word buwaya which means crocodile in the Tagalog slang of the Phillipenes. Besides having a masters in MIS I have a bachelors in anthropology so I know how to track these things down, unlike yourself.
Your culture produces no people that you find annoying?
I chose India because Vivek used India as his example. Sorry but our system is under attack and much of that attack at the University level is the preference for foreign students who generate university profit, & DEI quotas, both of which eliminate places for qualified Americans.
What your children state is anecdotal. The majority of students are not the top 5%. The top 5% still exist and many of them are unable to gain a place in the degree program of their choice. There is no denying that the overall level of teaching has fallen, and the embrace of DEI has lowered standards but the brightest students have always been self motivated and have pursued knowledge. They still do. The song that Vivek & Elon are singing is a siren’s song. It is disingenuous because it employs some truth to hide the peversion of the HB1 system. Look at what the HB1 jobs are and the salaries being paid. That betrays the truth of the situation.
The HB1 visas are being used by companies to generate profit and have a controlled workforce since these workers must leavve the US if they quit or are fired. The American workers are having their opportunities stolen by corporate greed by exploitation of the immigration system.
You are looking at the wrong kids. That kind have always been around. US out of Vietnam & ROTC out of Fordham, Sit ins in the dean’s office. Lots of good motivated students, engineers etc.
My son would agree that they write lousy code. If it ever works, you press enter and then leave to get another cup of coffee.
I have checkmated Meltdown Musk. A class action against the biggest h1b body shop was won by 2000 Americans
VP admitted their indian workers were no more qualified. They weren’t elite. I suspect what has been done to some of them rises to the level of hooker human trafficking.
Musk should look at his records and see how many of them live at the same address.
My son would say that they write lousy code. If it ever works, you press enter and then leave to get another cup of coffee.
I agree
do away with common core teaching methods
Same thing happened to American construction workers and skilled tradesman.
Exactly.
Despite legal hindrance in 1948 and further ones enacted in 2013, the caste system continues to be practiced in India. There are 3,000 castes and 25,000 sub-castes in India, each related to a specific occupation.
People born to a lowly caste, or a wealthy caste remain that way unlike in the US where a laborer might become a corporation owner.
“Jati” castes occupy a significant role within the arranged marriage system where parents look for partners for their children within their caste. There can be some movement to rise in castes by emulating higher caste behavior and study, for some people.
Example of a lofty family in India carrying over to the US:
Dr. Deepak Chopra, an MD and endocrinologist, formerly Chief of Staff at the New England Memorial Hospital became a multi-millionaire bestselling author and TV personality.
His father was a prominent cardiologist, head of the department of medicine and cardiology at New Delhi’s Moolchand Khairati Ram Hospital for over 25 years, and was also a lieutenant in the British army, serving as an army doctor at the front at Burma and acting as a medical adviser to Lord Mountbatten, viceroy of India.
Chopra’s younger brother, Sanjiv Chopra, is a professor of medicine at Harvard Medical School and on staff at Beth Israel Deaconess Medical Center.
Our culture sucks. We have this generation to turn it around. Fix the problem.
Classic American education.
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The overall computation of average IQ of various races came from The Bell Curve of the early 1990s. It was 600 pages long and about 30 dealt with IQ differences in different races.
Money immediately avalanched into studies that might rebut this and none was allowed in studies that would not. “Emotional IQ” emerged soon after because the overall gist of TBC was that IQ was 40-80% inherited — mostly demonstrated by identical twins who were raised apart in households of differing affluence.
Of course money avalanched into rebutting studies of that, because it was so powerful.
Anyway, the IQ of races is not the same. It would be more surprising if it was than what the reality is. The cause is not environment, it is genetics.
Good data item to store away. The average IQ of a population is 100, normalized and by definition.
The standard deviation is more subtle. That number is 15.
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