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Elon Musk, Vivek Ramaswamy and the Silicon Valley Tech Millionaire Group Continue Lambasting Americans While Advocating for Expanded Foreign Worker Visas
The Last Refuge ^ | December 26, 2024 | Sundance

Posted on 12/27/2024 10:05:09 AM PST by SoConPubbie

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To: grey_whiskers

You trash corporate executives and call everyone here trolls. You are just a grumpy old geezer who draws your union pension and social security. You aren’t here for discussion. Your only goal is to argue, as you try to make everyone as miserable as yourself.


221 posted on 12/27/2024 6:14:45 PM PST by NautiNurse (With a cough and a sputter, the original lying dog-faced pony soldier is led out to pasture. )
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To: CrosscutSaw

>>”On the other hand, exactly what does Vivek Ramaswamy bring to the table, other than being a slick talker?”

He brings plenty of hype and plenty of ego. But beyond that, I can’t find a thing.


222 posted on 12/27/2024 6:32:42 PM PST by mbrfl
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To: grey_whiskers

Did you read my post, idiot. I asked AI. And stop stalking me.


223 posted on 12/27/2024 6:44:12 PM PST by libh8er
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To: NautiNurse

The guy is a total jerk. I wish FR had a mute or a block button so I wouldn’t have to see his posts.


224 posted on 12/27/2024 6:45:51 PM PST by libh8er
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To: SoConPubbie

#PresidentMusk is certainly going full-court press on this stuff. And, there is only one man who sits at the pinnacle of matters and can set things right and bring an end to this tension. However, he seems to me to be all things to all people (case in point, embracing LGBT in 2016 with a rainbow flag and Mrs. Melania fundraising in Mar-a-Lago for that cause, choosing outright gays to high national security positions, and at the same time, contradictorily having rousing rallies at conservative, social values, Christian nationalist mega-churches in Arizona which would be polar opposites of this movement.)

(Trump will find out very soon one cannot be all things to all people.)


225 posted on 12/27/2024 6:53:52 PM PST by AmericanInTokyo (Pray for Jim. ***** Donate to FR (Freepathon) PS: ☭ No CCCP 2.0 ☭)
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To: grey_whiskers

every generation of workers is forced at some point to train their replacements.

The issue now is that there are not enough properly trained and educated American citizens with the proper work ethic to work the vast number of jobs needed in tech. So until we make major changes to our schools, we will need to bring in top talent from around the world to fill those needed jobs and in the process make America greater than it has ever been before. As Trump has said, we WANT emmergants, we just want them to enter legally and we want the best of the best and not the mentally ill or criminals.


226 posted on 12/27/2024 6:59:54 PM PST by TexasFreeper2009
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To: libh8er

1. USB. Yes, the ubiquitous USB without which modern life wouldn’t continue — Ajay Bhatt.

2. Fiber Optics (no modern high speed internet without fiber optics) - Narinder Singh Kapany


You speak as if these two individuals were single handedly responsible for the technologies mentioned. In the case of the USB, that resulted from a group development effort led by a consortium of seven tech companies (Compaq, DEC, IBM, Intel, Microsoft, NEC, and Nortel) to develop a universal standard for device connectivity. Ajay Bhatt was the team leader at Intel that developed the first integrated circuits to support USB. Hardly a lone genius.

Same with Narinder Singh Kapany. He didn’t single handedly invent fiber optics. Much of the basic physics had already been developed. Kapany and British physicist Harold Hopkins improved on the technology in 1953, producing what were the best quality transmissions achieved up until that time. But the development of fiver optics took place over decades and resulted from incremental improvements by a number of physicists and engineers.


227 posted on 12/27/2024 7:02:25 PM PST by mbrfl
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To: AmericanInTokyo
However, he seems to me to be all things to all people

Give it a break NeverTrumper!

Normal NeverTrumper behavior, distort and twist the facts to try and demean and besmirch President Trump!

What a loser you are!
228 posted on 12/27/2024 7:06:09 PM PST by SoConPubbie (Trump has all the right enemies, DeSantis has all the wrong friends.)
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To: SoConPubbie
It was a stupid thing to say without prefacing it with a commitment to ensure that all American engineers, developers, etc. are take care of first.

But that’s expensive. How do you expect them to maximize profits by doing that?

229 posted on 12/27/2024 7:06:34 PM PST by Bubba Ho-Tep ("The rat always knows when he's in with weasels."--Tom Waits)
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To: SoConPubbie

Guess what?
I am not going away after 21 years here.
And I won’t be silenced.
And I won’t be taken off of this platform by you or anyone, save the powers that be.

So you are just going to have to deal with it, snowflake.
Your replies are just so boring.


230 posted on 12/27/2024 7:09:19 PM PST by AmericanInTokyo (Pray for Jim. ***** Donate to FR (Freepathon) PS: ☭ No CCCP 2.0 ☭)
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To: TexasFreeper2009


No, first we fix the H1B system so that Tech Companies truly can only use if for resources with specific skills missing in the work place.

1. Take away current tax incentives given to them to use the H1B system.
2. Charge them $50,000 per H1B resource so that they can not use this system to save money on cheaper labor.

You watch how quickly they start re-hiring American Tech Labor that has been sidelined by the H1B system.
231 posted on 12/27/2024 7:09:33 PM PST by SoConPubbie (Trump has all the right enemies, DeSantis has all the wrong friends.)
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To: TexasFreeper2009
The issue now is that there are not enough properly trained and educated American citizens with the proper work ethic to work the vast number of jobs needed in tech. So until we make major changes to our schools, we will need to bring in top talent from around the world to fill those needed jobs and in the process make America greater than it has ever been before. As Trump has said, we WANT emmergants, we just want them to enter legally and we want the best of the best and not the mentally ill or criminals.

No, first we fix the H1B system so that Tech Companies truly can only use if for resources with specific skills missing in the work place.

1. Take away current tax incentives given to them to use the H1B system.
2. Charge them $50,000 per H1B resource so that they can not use this system to save money on cheaper labor.

You watch how quickly they start re-hiring American Tech Labor that has been sidelined by the H1B system.
232 posted on 12/27/2024 7:09:49 PM PST by SoConPubbie (Trump has all the right enemies, DeSantis has all the wrong friends.)
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To: Bubba Ho-Tep
But that’s expensive. How do you expect them to maximize profits by doing that?

Who cares if they can or cannot maximize profits.

Either Musk and Vivek are MAGA or they are liars.
233 posted on 12/27/2024 7:11:10 PM PST by SoConPubbie (Trump has all the right enemies, DeSantis has all the wrong friends.)
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To: AmericanInTokyo
And I won’t be silenced.
And I won’t be taken off of this platform by you or anyone, save the powers that be.

So you are just going to have to deal with it, snowflake.


Wow!

Why is the projection so strong in NeverTrumpers?

Where did I say you should be silenced or taken off the platform?

Seems like the overreaction by you paints you as the Snowflake, no?
234 posted on 12/27/2024 7:12:59 PM PST by SoConPubbie (Trump has all the right enemies, DeSantis has all the wrong friends.)
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To: AmericanInTokyo
On the contrary, the selfless comedy and entertainment value is in and of itself priceless!

I can truly understand why Jim would allow your continued presence.

Truly.

235 posted on 12/27/2024 7:18:19 PM PST by going hot (Happiness is a Momma Deuce.)
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To: NautiNurse
Wrong on all counts.

It's quite fashionable to say "Americans are lazy and entitled" and to compare today's worker with yesteryear.

But nobody ever compares the executive greed and entitlement with yesteryear.

I call people trolls when they deserve it:

the US built the atom bomb and went to the moon without offshoring to thd Third World or importing them. Those immigrants who did come here (and are used as the excuse for importing H1-Bs en masse) were once-in-a-generation physicists like Einstein and Fermi.

The Snowflakes are spoiled and entitled...but all the prior generation of American workers, were not: but they were still summarily tossed out the door to savd geeedy executives a few bucks so they could get large bonuses.

The cost savings were not shared with the customer, and the executives tried to gaslight the public about the loss of quality, and the social costs borne by the community as a whole.

I am anti-Union and am still working. No pension, either: that was robbed from me by executives unilaterally forcing workers onto 401(k)s while lying that it was better for the workers.

Elon Musk is the richest man in yhe history of humanity.

It is appalling that he attempts to argue that he *has to* tip the wage scale in the US in his own favor, or he won't be able to succeed in business.

(I've written the same thing decades ago about Microsoft and their $52 billion special dividend. They could have invested it in T-bills and used the interest alone to fund US programmers without touching or risking the principal, and without affecting cash flow from continuing operations which had generated that pile of cash.)

Do they have the right to spend their money how they want? Yes.

Do they have a business need, or the moral right to force myriad social problems on the country which gives the a peaceful market, more or less equitable rule of law, existing infrastructure, allows them freedom to run a business without bribery/govt. extortion, etc.? No.

236 posted on 12/27/2024 7:18:39 PM PST by grey_whiskers (The opinions are solely those of the author and are subject to change without notice.)
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To: TexasFreeper2009

You’re a liar.

The “replacements” were brought in a generation ago, when there was no shortage: and US citizens were discourged implicitly and explicitly, from working in tech.

Now that there is a shortage, that shortage us used as the excuse for doubling down on the error that caused the problem.


237 posted on 12/27/2024 7:23:20 PM PST by grey_whiskers (The opinions are solely those of the author and are subject to change without notice.)
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To: AmericanInTokyo
However, he seems to me to be all things to all people

He's the President of the United States. I would expect him to do that.

238 posted on 12/27/2024 7:25:06 PM PST by MinorityRepublican
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To: going hot

If I brought a smile to somebody’s face no matter in which manner it was achieved then I’ve done part of my duty as a Christian for the day… Hope you have a nice weekend


239 posted on 12/27/2024 7:41:15 PM PST by AmericanInTokyo (Pray for Jim. ***** Donate to FR (Freepathon) PS: ☭ No CCCP 2.0 ☭)
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To: MinorityRepublican

Yes but it’s eventually going to catch up with him


240 posted on 12/27/2024 7:41:39 PM PST by AmericanInTokyo (Pray for Jim. ***** Donate to FR (Freepathon) PS: ☭ No CCCP 2.0 ☭)
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