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Elon Musk, Vivek Ramaswamy and the Silicon Valley Tech Millionaire Group Continue Lambasting Americans While Advocating for Expanded Foreign Worker Visas
The Last Refuge ^ | December 26, 2024 | Sundance

Posted on 12/27/2024 10:05:09 AM PST by SoConPubbie

Six months ago, I was asked my opinion of the Silicon Valley alignment with MAGA. I said at the time I thought it would last around 18 months and finally climax with a large fracture in the political movement around 2026. I had no idea at the time, the group of technocrats would begin publicly advocating for replacing American workers before Trump took office.

For the past several days I have watched Vivek Ramaswamy, David Sacks, Elon Musk and his big tech influencers debating with their followers about the importance for them to continue expanding H-1b visas for foreign tech workers. It is stunning to see this crew double, triple and quadruple down on advocacy, while defining American workers as inadequate for their Silicon Valley needs.

Alas, it is what it is. Within the argument Musk, Ramaswamy, Sacks and group have presented multiple justifications for their foreign worker assistance programs, while advocating for expanded immigration support therein.

Within the tone of their argument, they essentially say the American worker is (1) not intellectual enough; (2) doesn’t have the right work ethic; and the latest point of justification is that (3) American culture is to blame for their need to import foreign workers.

As Vivek Ramaswamy recently said, “Our American culture has venerated mediocrity over excellence for way too long (at least since the 90s and likely longer). That doesn’t start in college, it starts YOUNG.” Thus, as the narrative is sold, American workers need to be replaced with more culturally appropriate Indian tech workers.

When the Indian-American starts saying Indian culture is more adequate at creating workers for the American tech industry, he loses me completely.

If the Indian culture is the holy grail breeding ground for software engineers, then why isn’t New Delhi replacing Silicon Valley?

Considering that factually the Indian culture is entirely based on a caste system, the argument is even more absurd.

What we need are training and recruitment centers for American students. However, the larger issue within the billionaire tech team advocacy is an issue of self-interest.

What we see in the justifications and arguments of the Ramaswamy, Musk and Sacks group is a very specific point of immigration policy for their subset within a singular sector of the American economy. Perhaps this would not be such a big issue, if these points of advocacy were coming from outside government interest groups. However, with this tech team going into the administration, the influence becomes something a little bigger.

The part the Tech Group do not understand is the core of the American DNA, “Liberty“…

It is only from the position of liberty, intellectualism actualized in freedom form, that the working culture of America, the ingenuity part, can be understood.

If you attempt to quantify Americanism with math and algorithms, the translated outcome always fails.

Dear Vivek Ramaswamy, my counter take…

Several years ago, Florida Power and Light won the prestigious international Edward Demming Award for excellence in multi-platform engineering, efficiency superiority and total quality in the process of energy management.

However, the scruffy rednecks did not blow every PhD intellectual out of the water with slide rules, CAD programs, articulated and quantified quality improvement processes and engineering acumen. They did it with hard hats and dirty fingernails.

Because they lost the award, the jaw-agape Japanese spent 6 months visiting and reviewing FPL and later published a 1,000-page study essentially saying FPL “wasn’t really good, they were just lucky.”

You see, the reviewers couldn’t actually quantify the reason why the Florida-based energy company was so successful. In response the FPL field leadership laughed, took out magic markers and wrote on the back of their hard hats: “WE’RE NOT GOOD, WE’RE RUCKY.”

A few years later, every single Kuwaiti oil field was blown up by Saddam Hussein. Global analysts and think-tanks proclaimed it would take 5 years to cap them all off and restart the Kuwait oil pumping industry. Well, the Kuwaiti’s and Saudi’s called Texans, who had them all capped and back in working order in 6 months.

We are a nation that knows how to get shit done.

A few more years pass, and the Northern Chile mine workers were trapped two miles underground. The eyes of the world began to tear as the word spread. Most began to whisper no one could save them. Who did they call for help? A bunch of hick miners from USA coal country who went down there, worked on the fly, engineered the rescue equipment on site, and saved every one of them.

Yup, that’s our America. Ingenuity born from freedom.

Across the pond a half-breed Islamic whack job, armed with an AK-47 and a goal to meet his virgins, began opening fire on a train in France. The scruffneck Americans on board didn’t run to the nearest safe room and hide themselves amid baguettes and brie. They said, “let’s go”, and beat the stuffing out of that little nut with a death wish.

Legion d’Honneur or not, that’s us. WE ARE AMERICANS! That’s just how we roll.

In fact, Lady Liberty can stroll along the Champs-Elysées with a swagger befitting Mae West because without her arrival, they’d be speaking German in the Louvre. Yet, for the better part of the past decade, a group of intellectual leftists have been teaching our children that it’s better to be sitting around a campfire eating sustainable algae cakes and picking parasites off each other; because ‘save the planet’, or something similarly minded. It would appear, they hate the outcomes and inequities from freedom.

Warmest regards,

Americans First!

My BEST advice to @elonmusk @VivekGRamaswamy @DavidSacks and the Silicon Valley tech elites, is to keep talking. Just keep telling Americans how terrible they are and how they need to be replaced. Great Job.

Every time you guys open your typeset in public, @LauraLoomer grows a…

— TheLastRefuge (@TheLastRefuge2) December 26, 2024



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To: boycott

True. And the do know this since they have made statements regarding this condition.


161 posted on 12/27/2024 1:38:28 PM PST by Cobra64 (Common sense isn’t common anymore.)
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To: SmokingJoe
Neuralink, The Boring Company, XAi, etc.

Neuralink is not doing anything scientists hadn't already accomplished decades ago. It's not even necessary. There are people moving machiens with their mines without having to get their skull removed to stick an implant into their brains. And Elon is claiming he's going to make people walk again with zero evidence.

The Boring Company is already a failure. It did one project for Las Vegas, the fraudulent Vegas Loop, promising cars coming down in elevators and high speed pods going through hyperloops. What we got was a tunnel with no emergency exits and a bunch of Teslas driven by drivers moving people extra slow over a one mile loop, and it looks like people don't even USE it all that much! See here:

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=LLzQgr2fUg0

Xai??? He's raised billions of dollars for it and has... zero revenue, zero product, just fuckin' Grok which is just waiting for a lawsuit due to violating copyright. Xai exists as just another company to suck up money from investors thinking Elon knows how to make AI when FSD still rams into parked ambulances.

162 posted on 12/27/2024 1:44:13 PM PST by Greetings_Puny_Humans (I mostly come out at night... mostly.)
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To: SmokingJoe
Just look at Boeing with vastly more engineers and still got clobbered by SpaceX in developing a space craft for the SpaceStation.

Ha ha ha ha ha!

163 posted on 12/27/2024 1:46:14 PM PST by Greetings_Puny_Humans (I mostly come out at night... mostly.)
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To: SmokingJoe
Musk is listed as one of the inventors of this technology, even going by your own post no? So what's your point?

Because it has about 20 other people on it, and it STILL sucks.

164 posted on 12/27/2024 1:48:55 PM PST by Greetings_Puny_Humans (I mostly come out at night... mostly.)
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To: Greetings_Puny_Humans
one of the most dangerous cars on the road

Not the fault of the Tesla but the way drivers drive them. Teslas pack a tremendous amount of power and it's easy to misuse it.

Tesla's best vehicles were made by that "primitive company," and it is thanks to those early engineers that Tesla became as successful as it was.

Complete nonsense.

165 posted on 12/27/2024 1:51:20 PM PST by libh8er
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To: Greetings_Puny_Humans
Funniest , most stupid post of the day so far?
Easily.
Musk “went so school on daddy's money from an emerald mine” so much so that he had student loans of over $100,000 when he finished University of Pennsylvania with a double major in Physics and Economics.
Chuckle.
Zip2 had nothing to do with supercomputers.
You are going to need to read up on it.

Tesla is the number 1 EV maker/seller on the planet and the Tesla Model Y is the number 1 selling car on the planet of any kind.
Tesla makes more profits on EV’s than anyone else and has a market cap of $1.5 Trillion!
Stop crying boy!
SpaceX?
SpaceX totally dominates the rockets launching business with Starlink totally dominating the satellite internet business.
You want me to continue of you give up already?

166 posted on 12/27/2024 1:52:02 PM PST by SmokingJoe
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To: Greetings_Puny_Humans
“It has 20 others listed”?
So he was still one of the inventors no?
“It still sucks:?
Do you even have a clue what technology they are talking about?
Stop making us laugh.
167 posted on 12/27/2024 1:55:40 PM PST by SmokingJoe
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To: SmokingJoe
Funniest , most stupid post of the day so far?

Dude, all you're doing is calling people know nothings and stupid while repeating how much you worship Elon and making assertions you can't back up while pretending to know something (you, in fact, know absolutely nothing about the topic you are ranting about).

YOU are the biggest joke on this thread.

a market cap of $1.5 Trillion!

Tesla's market cap is based ENTIRELY on its stock, which is a product of Elon's false promises. It has no connection whatsoever to the fundamentals of the company. It is the most fraudulent, overhyped company on Earth... and when it crashes, and it will, it'll probably take out much of the techno market with it.

168 posted on 12/27/2024 1:57:00 PM PST by Greetings_Puny_Humans (I mostly come out at night... mostly.)
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To: SoConPubbie
I did not read all the article but I don't need to or want to. I have wondered what benefit these people expect from supporting Trump. For Musk it is not subsidies for Tesla for one thing. He got those and his seed money for X from Obama who was his buddy back then. I now give you exhibit one within this article and tweets for his motivation of jumping on the Trump bandwagon. Must and Rummyswami have never ever once done anything that does not somehow directly benefit themselves. They are not about to start that now.

I know for a fact that the US graduates some excellent STEM workers who will work. As the article asks, if the Indian culture is so superior why doesn't Dehli overtake Sillycone Valley?

I will admit my bias, having worked there some I have little regard for many of the dwellers of the vast Sub-Continent. I find them to be liars, schemers and downright untrustworthy. They have taken a lot of bad lessons from their past overlords, the Brits. Your own mileage may vary though and you are certainly welcome to it.

169 posted on 12/27/2024 2:00:33 PM PST by Sequoyah101 (Donald John Trump. First man to be Elected to the Presidency THREE times since FDR.)
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To: libh8er
Not the fault of the Tesla but the way drivers drive them.

I dunno dude, if your car is so powerful that you know regular drivers are going to get into minor fender benders and then get burned alive because the doors won't open (the car is so powerful the doors must get stuck to contain all that energy!), that sounds like a design defect that should be addressed.

https://futurism.com/the-byte/four-die-trapped-burning-tesla

170 posted on 12/27/2024 2:01:04 PM PST by Greetings_Puny_Humans (I mostly come out at night... mostly.)
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To: SoConPubbie

Make Calcutta Great Again! In Calcutta, please. Don’t bring it here.


171 posted on 12/27/2024 2:03:40 PM PST by TTFlyer (Lenin: that by the infliction of terror, a well-organized minority can conquer a nation.)
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To: Greetings_Puny_Humans
Actually Xai already has the world's most powerful Ai supercomputer {Colossus} in Memphis with a 100,000 Nvidia H100 GPU’s in it, and Grok totally rocks.
Even Nvidia themselves have just invested in XAi.
You need to join X so you can use it.
I use Grok everyday and it simply rocks despite XAi being founded only very recently.
172 posted on 12/27/2024 2:08:19 PM PST by SmokingJoe
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To: Greetings_Puny_Humans
“Dude, all you're doing is calling people know nothings and stupid”

I am calling really stupid people like you stupid, because you keep posting really stupid, ill informed, totally made up nonsense.
I am sure you know you are stupid.
Chuckle.

173 posted on 12/27/2024 2:11:38 PM PST by SmokingJoe
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To: CodeToad
Name some inventions that drive any technology industry that were created by a foreigner

By foreigner I take it you mean India born since we are in the context of H1B. Otherwise plenty of inventions by European born "foreigners". It's easy. I asked one of the AI chatbots

1. USB. Yes, the ubiquitous USB without which modern life wouldn't continue -- Ajay Bhatt.

2. Fiber Optics (no modern high speed internet without fiber optics) - Narinder Singh Kapany

3. Pentium Processor - Vinod Dham.

4. Bose corporation (many patented tech) - Amar Bose

5. Semiconductor manufacturing - Gurtej Sandhu.

6. DSP (Digital Signal Processing) - Anil K Jain (significant contributor) If you want more just ask a chatbot.

174 posted on 12/27/2024 2:14:36 PM PST by libh8er
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To: SoConPubbie

They use “Nativist” as if that’s a bad thing. How are those “alienists” explaining their love of turd world invaders to Kate Steinle and Jocelyn Nungary? Oh wait.


175 posted on 12/27/2024 2:15:23 PM PST by Organic Panic (Democrats. Memories as short as Joe Biden's eyes)
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To: Sequoyah101

“He got those and his seed money for X from Obama who was his buddy back then”

Total unadulterated nonsense!
Musk got his “seed money for X from Obama”?
On what planet was that?


176 posted on 12/27/2024 2:16:26 PM PST by SmokingJoe
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To: Its All Over Except ...

And the DOJ was suing Musk for not hiring enough Americans for Space X.

You can’t make this Shiite up.


177 posted on 12/27/2024 2:17:15 PM PST by Organic Panic (Democrats. Memories as short as Joe Biden's eyes)
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To: libh8er

That list isn’t correct.

Laughable list. I hardly think that list was invented by one person. I happen to know many on the Pentium processor team, and fiber optics was invented by 1957 and used within the USAF.


178 posted on 12/27/2024 2:17:59 PM PST by CodeToad (Rule #1: The elites want you dead.)
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To: SoConPubbie
The article makes good points in support of American ability to get things done but it only usually happens outside of government and outside of social program dominated parts of our society. There are niches. Our prowess on the battle field is in large part due to the dominance of Southern culture in our military and a good dose of niche rural America influence from all across the fruited plain thrown in.

I hope Must takes notice of the reaction of the hick Americans that have built his plants and cars and launch rockets to his need for much better and more motivated people than they are.

Both of the fellows who weighed in on this subject sound like a lot of other smart and rich and self-appointed rulers I have known. They are tone deaf.

Many years ago I sat in on a meeting of upper management for a large multi-national. The subject was how to staff and manage a large regional opportunity. The short story was that they were wringing their hands about not having the "right" people to manage and represent the needs of the company in the opportunity. There were laborers and technical people but of a different company culture in the takeover and they wanted their own representation. I listened and then suggested some people from our own senior engineering ranks. The room went silent and the first words were that they had no "management" experience. They were only boffins. I reminded them that many had come from management ranks at other companies long before they themselves were even out of school and that several of the people mentioned managed rather large community organizations. The arrogance of some people is their worst enemy.

Some people would do well to consider Kipling's "If" but I doubt they will since no other man knows anything of use to them.

"If you can talk with crowds and keep your virtue, Or walk with Kings—nor lose the common touch,"

179 posted on 12/27/2024 2:19:23 PM PST by Sequoyah101 (Donald John Trump. First man to be Elected to the Presidency THREE times since FDR.)
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To: Mr. Blond

Well said.


180 posted on 12/27/2024 2:21:31 PM PST by Pelham (President Eisenhower. Operation Wetback 1953-54)
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