Posted on 12/27/2024 10:05:09 AM PST by SoConPubbie
Six months ago, I was asked my opinion of the Silicon Valley alignment with MAGA. I said at the time I thought it would last around 18 months and finally climax with a large fracture in the political movement around 2026. I had no idea at the time, the group of technocrats would begin publicly advocating for replacing American workers before Trump took office.
For the past several days I have watched Vivek Ramaswamy, David Sacks, Elon Musk and his big tech influencers debating with their followers about the importance for them to continue expanding H-1b visas for foreign tech workers. It is stunning to see this crew double, triple and quadruple down on advocacy, while defining American workers as inadequate for their Silicon Valley needs.
Alas, it is what it is. Within the argument Musk, Ramaswamy, Sacks and group have presented multiple justifications for their foreign worker assistance programs, while advocating for expanded immigration support therein.
Within the tone of their argument, they essentially say the American worker is (1) not intellectual enough; (2) doesn’t have the right work ethic; and the latest point of justification is that (3) American culture is to blame for their need to import foreign workers.
As Vivek Ramaswamy recently said, “Our American culture has venerated mediocrity over excellence for way too long (at least since the 90s and likely longer). That doesn’t start in college, it starts YOUNG.” Thus, as the narrative is sold, American workers need to be replaced with more culturally appropriate Indian tech workers.
When the Indian-American starts saying Indian culture is more adequate at creating workers for the American tech industry, he loses me completely.
If the Indian culture is the holy grail breeding ground for software engineers, then why isn’t New Delhi replacing Silicon Valley?
Considering that factually the Indian culture is entirely based on a caste system, the argument is even more absurd.
What we need are training and recruitment centers for American students. However, the larger issue within the billionaire tech team advocacy is an issue of self-interest.
What we see in the justifications and arguments of the Ramaswamy, Musk and Sacks group is a very specific point of immigration policy for their subset within a singular sector of the American economy. Perhaps this would not be such a big issue, if these points of advocacy were coming from outside government interest groups. However, with this tech team going into the administration, the influence becomes something a little bigger.
The part the Tech Group do not understand is the core of the American DNA, “Liberty“…
It is only from the position of liberty, intellectualism actualized in freedom form, that the working culture of America, the ingenuity part, can be understood.
If you attempt to quantify Americanism with math and algorithms, the translated outcome always fails.
Dear Vivek Ramaswamy, my counter take…
Several years ago, Florida Power and Light won the prestigious international Edward Demming Award for excellence in multi-platform engineering, efficiency superiority and total quality in the process of energy management.
However, the scruffy rednecks did not blow every PhD intellectual out of the water with slide rules, CAD programs, articulated and quantified quality improvement processes and engineering acumen. They did it with hard hats and dirty fingernails.
Because they lost the award, the jaw-agape Japanese spent 6 months visiting and reviewing FPL and later published a 1,000-page study essentially saying FPL “wasn’t really good, they were just lucky.”
You see, the reviewers couldn’t actually quantify the reason why the Florida-based energy company was so successful. In response the FPL field leadership laughed, took out magic markers and wrote on the back of their hard hats: “WE’RE NOT GOOD, WE’RE RUCKY.”
A few years later, every single Kuwaiti oil field was blown up by Saddam Hussein. Global analysts and think-tanks proclaimed it would take 5 years to cap them all off and restart the Kuwait oil pumping industry. Well, the Kuwaiti’s and Saudi’s called Texans, who had them all capped and back in working order in 6 months.
We are a nation that knows how to get shit done.
A few more years pass, and the Northern Chile mine workers were trapped two miles underground. The eyes of the world began to tear as the word spread. Most began to whisper no one could save them. Who did they call for help? A bunch of hick miners from USA coal country who went down there, worked on the fly, engineered the rescue equipment on site, and saved every one of them.
Yup, that’s our America. Ingenuity born from freedom.
Across the pond a half-breed Islamic whack job, armed with an AK-47 and a goal to meet his virgins, began opening fire on a train in France. The scruffneck Americans on board didn’t run to the nearest safe room and hide themselves amid baguettes and brie. They said, “let’s go”, and beat the stuffing out of that little nut with a death wish.
Legion d’Honneur or not, that’s us. WE ARE AMERICANS! That’s just how we roll.
In fact, Lady Liberty can stroll along the Champs-Elysées with a swagger befitting Mae West because without her arrival, they’d be speaking German in the Louvre. Yet, for the better part of the past decade, a group of intellectual leftists have been teaching our children that it’s better to be sitting around a campfire eating sustainable algae cakes and picking parasites off each other; because ‘save the planet’, or something similarly minded. It would appear, they hate the outcomes and inequities from freedom.
Warmest regards,
Americans First!
My BEST advice to @elonmusk @VivekGRamaswamy @DavidSacks and the Silicon Valley tech elites, is to keep talking. Just keep telling Americans how terrible they are and how they need to be replaced. Great Job.
Every time you guys open your typeset in public, @LauraLoomer grows a…
— TheLastRefuge (@TheLastRefuge2) December 26, 2024
That’s nice. Of course there are talented foreign engineers, nor did I say we needed to stop hiring them altogether.
Musk and Ramaswamy want to increase H1B hires to 2-3x what they are now, so they can force American engineers to be paid half what they’re worth. This is monstrous. I’m not sure why you’re still adamant that this is a good thing for America.
Tunnel rats, for example, in the US can't be beat. But it's 95% ojt. Not advanced college degrees.
Engineers here suck straight out of school. Even ones with Masters Degrees. They simply can't do what the ones coming from Germany, India, Hungary, etc. can do at the same age.
Why? Because our high schools suck. Because our grademschools suck. Feriners are doing calculus in the 7th grade. American kids are watching hairy crossdressers twerk. Unions and blue states and DEI crap for decades means kids don't know basic 3 R's like they did 50 years ago. Hence college has been dumbed down.
The smartest kids, highest achievers, in STEM fields in College are foreigners. Plain and simple. Many on Visas.
Now do you want the best Engineers built designing your new Boeing? Well guess what? Very few native Americans are good enough to keep planes from falling out of the skies. It's sad, but true.
I've had H1B dudes working for me, and they really Do appreciate America more than the dude texting on his phone all day. And accomplish more.
Sorry, but thems the facts. And Mark Bradman aka Sundress is once again throwing rocks in the wrong direction.
Pretty much sums the situation up perfectly.
I do disagree that all American born engineers suck out of college but far too many do.
And you are spot on about how badly most US high school grads are educated at the time of graduation. Most are totally unprepared to succeed at the university level.
These days a serious STEM degree is more of a 5-6 year program with a year or two of intense remedial study needed to master the basics in course work and study skills that should have been taught in HS.
Elon’s never gonna sleep with you, Joe. Give it up.
So then, using your logic - NO ONE on this thread knows what they are talking about regarding immigration.
Maybe lock the thread until Elon Musk becomes a FReeper?
Nope. We do not have such immediate needs. We already have Americans able and ready to do the job. I’ve got 40 years in this space and know it as well or better than anyone.
Those agreeing with Musk know what they are talking about.
The far left anti Musk crowd don’t have a clue.
As usual
“We already have Americans able and ready to do the job”
Like at Boeing?
Boeing has lots of good people, lead by DEI types. BTW, the problems (lie Max, et al.) at Boeing were created by their use of Indians.
This is a result of the free trade sellouts of the past.
Why would multinational companies invest locally in education and training when they can outsource labor and import brains. There is no giant push by Apple, Microsoft etc into American universities and talent, there is no need, they import it.
These multinationals keep getting rewarded with wonderful tax breaks and incentives while pushing for mass migration. Until whitey stops voting GOP there will be not change, vast amounts of people keep on voting for suicide every election.
“the US technology industry would not survive without top foreign born talent.”
Yes, it would. Name some inventions that drive any technology industry that were created by a foreigner. I can name countless inventions by Americans.
I hate Tesla and SpaceX is just a capability any investment company could do otherwise. Very little major inventions with SpaceX. Musk simply had the balls, with 100% credit to him for it, to cut the typical bureaucracy and create SpaceX.
Oh, and PayPal wasn’t his invention. In fact, the people at PayPal hated the code he gave them and shitcanned it.
I used to work at a large university with a well respected engineering program. In the late 90's, students held an engineering job fair. NO major tech company sent representatives. We all knew what this was about. Tech firms were actively working to lower wages and weren't hiring from American schools.
No, you are simply feeling argumentative. Too many young people today are self-absorbed, and do-just-enough-to-get-by. That's not good enough for high tech R&D. The labor pool is much larger in India than the U.S.
Sure, and 'we' outsource and import it. American wages has always been the target of free traitors, nothing has changed. You left out the business investment side into here, which has taken massive steps back.
Boeing is DEI and Indian, so you’re kind of making my point. Thanks!
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