Posted on 12/27/2024 10:05:09 AM PST by SoConPubbie
Six months ago, I was asked my opinion of the Silicon Valley alignment with MAGA. I said at the time I thought it would last around 18 months and finally climax with a large fracture in the political movement around 2026. I had no idea at the time, the group of technocrats would begin publicly advocating for replacing American workers before Trump took office.
For the past several days I have watched Vivek Ramaswamy, David Sacks, Elon Musk and his big tech influencers debating with their followers about the importance for them to continue expanding H-1b visas for foreign tech workers. It is stunning to see this crew double, triple and quadruple down on advocacy, while defining American workers as inadequate for their Silicon Valley needs.
Alas, it is what it is. Within the argument Musk, Ramaswamy, Sacks and group have presented multiple justifications for their foreign worker assistance programs, while advocating for expanded immigration support therein.
Within the tone of their argument, they essentially say the American worker is (1) not intellectual enough; (2) doesn’t have the right work ethic; and the latest point of justification is that (3) American culture is to blame for their need to import foreign workers.
As Vivek Ramaswamy recently said, “Our American culture has venerated mediocrity over excellence for way too long (at least since the 90s and likely longer). That doesn’t start in college, it starts YOUNG.” Thus, as the narrative is sold, American workers need to be replaced with more culturally appropriate Indian tech workers.
When the Indian-American starts saying Indian culture is more adequate at creating workers for the American tech industry, he loses me completely.
If the Indian culture is the holy grail breeding ground for software engineers, then why isn’t New Delhi replacing Silicon Valley?
Considering that factually the Indian culture is entirely based on a caste system, the argument is even more absurd.
What we need are training and recruitment centers for American students. However, the larger issue within the billionaire tech team advocacy is an issue of self-interest.
What we see in the justifications and arguments of the Ramaswamy, Musk and Sacks group is a very specific point of immigration policy for their subset within a singular sector of the American economy. Perhaps this would not be such a big issue, if these points of advocacy were coming from outside government interest groups. However, with this tech team going into the administration, the influence becomes something a little bigger.
The part the Tech Group do not understand is the core of the American DNA, “Liberty“…
It is only from the position of liberty, intellectualism actualized in freedom form, that the working culture of America, the ingenuity part, can be understood.
If you attempt to quantify Americanism with math and algorithms, the translated outcome always fails.
Dear Vivek Ramaswamy, my counter take…
Several years ago, Florida Power and Light won the prestigious international Edward Demming Award for excellence in multi-platform engineering, efficiency superiority and total quality in the process of energy management.
However, the scruffy rednecks did not blow every PhD intellectual out of the water with slide rules, CAD programs, articulated and quantified quality improvement processes and engineering acumen. They did it with hard hats and dirty fingernails.
Because they lost the award, the jaw-agape Japanese spent 6 months visiting and reviewing FPL and later published a 1,000-page study essentially saying FPL “wasn’t really good, they were just lucky.”
You see, the reviewers couldn’t actually quantify the reason why the Florida-based energy company was so successful. In response the FPL field leadership laughed, took out magic markers and wrote on the back of their hard hats: “WE’RE NOT GOOD, WE’RE RUCKY.”
A few years later, every single Kuwaiti oil field was blown up by Saddam Hussein. Global analysts and think-tanks proclaimed it would take 5 years to cap them all off and restart the Kuwait oil pumping industry. Well, the Kuwaiti’s and Saudi’s called Texans, who had them all capped and back in working order in 6 months.
We are a nation that knows how to get shit done.
A few more years pass, and the Northern Chile mine workers were trapped two miles underground. The eyes of the world began to tear as the word spread. Most began to whisper no one could save them. Who did they call for help? A bunch of hick miners from USA coal country who went down there, worked on the fly, engineered the rescue equipment on site, and saved every one of them.
Yup, that’s our America. Ingenuity born from freedom.
Across the pond a half-breed Islamic whack job, armed with an AK-47 and a goal to meet his virgins, began opening fire on a train in France. The scruffneck Americans on board didn’t run to the nearest safe room and hide themselves amid baguettes and brie. They said, “let’s go”, and beat the stuffing out of that little nut with a death wish.
Legion d’Honneur or not, that’s us. WE ARE AMERICANS! That’s just how we roll.
In fact, Lady Liberty can stroll along the Champs-Elysées with a swagger befitting Mae West because without her arrival, they’d be speaking German in the Louvre. Yet, for the better part of the past decade, a group of intellectual leftists have been teaching our children that it’s better to be sitting around a campfire eating sustainable algae cakes and picking parasites off each other; because ‘save the planet’, or something similarly minded. It would appear, they hate the outcomes and inequities from freedom.
Warmest regards,
Americans First!
My BEST advice to @elonmusk @VivekGRamaswamy @DavidSacks and the Silicon Valley tech elites, is to keep talking. Just keep telling Americans how terrible they are and how they need to be replaced. Great Job.
Every time you guys open your typeset in public, @LauraLoomer grows a…
— TheLastRefuge (@TheLastRefuge2) December 26, 2024
Yes, I understand that you too are a Chamber of Commerce “conservative”. When will there be enough Americans available to “fill the demand”? I get that YOU don't get that there will be NO DEMAND FOR AMERICAN SYSTEMS DEVELOPERS as long as all slots can be filled by low-cost imported Indians.
I had a great (and highly paid) career in complex systems development. In today's world I wouldn't be able to even get a start in the industry. My first step into the industry was being selected solely by taking an IQ test and passing several personal interviews. Once hired I was trained and developed skills and knowledge by increasingly complex on-the-job experience. Young Americans today largely do not have that same route UNFORTUNATELY because of the EASY availability of rudimentary trained Indians.
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Hate to burst your bubble on this one but Chamber of Commerce Americans want to offshore American industries and invest in foreign production. What we are talking about here is investing in America and bringing industries back to America. If we are going to make America great again, we are going to need the very best talent in people to make it so. We just don't have that many people who are ready to hit the ground running so we need to recruit the best from wherever they can be found.
Not true. The Tesla Musk bought was a fledgling primitive company with practically nothing in common with today’s Tesla. What about Space X ? The Boring Company ? Starlink ? Did he buy those too ?
I have news for you. While it is true that the liberal arts colleges are producing minds full of mush, there are tons of great technical colleges and universities that are turning out extremely talented American engineers.
The problem is that Musk and other cheap labor tech magnates will hire Americans first because they can get H1B indentured servants for a fraction of the salary that they would offer an American who could freely leave a job without having to move out of the US.
Maybe you’re okay with replacing our next generation of talented engineers with foreigners, but I’m not.
View IS FINISHED Politicly, he’s a phony.
There’s a Tesla today because of non-Musk AMERICAN expertise with Musk’s money.
There’s SpaceX today because of non-Musk AMERICAN expertise with Musk’s money.
Musk’s only talent is having money.
I really do not care who comes here, where they come from, or what their job is. I *do* care that whoever it is understands clearly and honors dearly the difference between being a citizen on the United States and a citizen of the world.
My reply to you was given to you by accident meant for another poster SORRY!!
Lot of people here and on X having a knee jerk reaction. While it’s true there is abuse in the H1B system which is badly in need of reform, the US technology industry would not survive without top foreign born talent. Just look at the team that built the Google search engine starting with the guy who coded the original version in 4 months (Amit Singhal), or the guy who started the modern AI revolution of 2022 (Ashish Vaswani) with the brilliant idea of a ‘Transformer’ (the T in chatGPT). These are people no one’s heard of but America *needs* people like them.
Vivek
With a population of 1.4 Billion, the pool of candidates is much greater in India.
To scale up the re shoring of America's largely destroyed industrial base, we are going to need good to go talent in existence right now that is ready to hit the ground running at a scale so macroscopic that there is no way we fill all the needed slots solely with American talent for many years to come - even with a 1960s space race style commitment to educate and train suitable high tech workers.
Have been dealing with this for the last several years and I can assure you that there is a critical shortage of highly skilled workers across the board that is holding back the rebuilding of America's industrial base, especially in high tech.
We are talking about re building entire industries that have been beat down and fled the country for decades. And some of our emerging technologies are so advanced and difficult to implement that you really need to cast a world wide net to find the best people to build the technology.
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My American dentist who I had been going to for 30 years, retired last year, his practice was taken over by someone from India. It’s not just IT. My field is not IT, but I worked contract for a while. My contract job was outsourced to contractors in India. If there’s money to be made, Indian contractors will be right there.
I’m sorry to hear that.
I not only know the history of those companies but also knew people who worked with the ACTUAL founders and innovators of those companies.
Musk buying inventors doesn’t make him an inventor, just an investor.
China now graduates more engineers and computer scientists than the rest of the world combined, and it’s hard to conduct AI research without Chinese researchers
No you don't!
Everything you've said so far proves you just don't know what the heck you are talking about.
Either the American economy is going to be a machine that gets things done or it will be a collection of gears and bearings that are constantly lubricated and coddled but never turn.
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