Posted on 11/08/2024 5:51:46 AM PST by HamiltonJay
In response to my assertion yesterday, that the democrats had no realistic path to 270 and it was obvious from January. I had a discussion with a friend of mine who believes the Democrats could have won if they had done things differently
Her argument was essentially this, if Biden had retired, and not run at all in 2024 the Democrats would have had a proper primary and wound up with a moderate candidate then she and others like her would have voted for them. She didn’t like Trump but couldn’t vote for Harris. So if the democrats had put up a moderate candidate, through a normal primary process, then she and others like her would have likely voted Democrat and Trump would have lost.
Its an interesting hypothetical, but I still don’t see this as what would have happened, even if the Dems had had a primary. One of the reasons Joe Biden got tapped in 2020 in the first place was directly related to how radical the democrat primary field was in 2020 was. DNC and powers that be knew that none of the folks in the primary process were moderate enough to win the general election, and if they continued down the path they were on they would lose the general election. They needed someone in the primaries they could sell as a moderate, and that someone was Joe Biden.
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Kamala got more votes than Hillary in 2016, and Obama in 2012.
No... what was missing was Biden’s 81 million voter fraud machine.
Covid allowed for significant fraud.
I seriously doubt that Kamala Harris would’ve emerged from the primaries, but I can’t think of a “moderate” Democrat who could’ve convinced people to ignore the Biden/Harris record.
I’m looking forward to what will be unburdened by what was.
Yep, that’s the problem even if you got a moderate out the end of the primaries, don’t see how you get away from 75% of the population believe the country is on the wrong track and you are going to be a change agent.
THe only person I can think of who could have likely pulled it off would have been RFK Jr., but they drove him out of the party. Had they actually run him, I think Democrats would have won the election handily.
>>> Covid allowed for significant fraud.
It was a successfully deployed weapon of war.
[[a friend of mine who believes the Democrats could have won if they had done things differently]]
Nope- she was still very very unlikable, and her only running points were abortion and “Republicans are nazis”
She failed her very simple job of border czar (all she had to do was assign others to do all the hard work- and she even failed to do that). She called young people stupid, she was hated by her staff, the majority of whom quit- she wanted to give American tax dollars to illegals so they could live in homes that they were never going to pay off. She chose a communist for vp because she feared the muslim groups if she had chosen the Jewish fella- she pissed off Muslims just the same though, and jews, and black folks and even legal citizen Hispanics who do NOT want illegals pouring into this country
She was all wrong for this nation, and people saw that- she and her predecessor both espoused policies that ruined pur economy, and people were sick of it, a d came to rea,ize how much better they had it under president Trumps first term.
Maybe if his family had stood behind him, he would’ve had a chance. They nearly disowned him.
Did you read the article? The article had nothing to do with Kamala, Kamala would never have won the primary... entire articles premise was the dems actually would have had a primary and put up a better/different candidate they may have one.
The hard fact is that knowing what was happening to Biden the dems were not grooming and nationalizing a couple of young superstars in preparation for 2024, they had grown complacent and felt invulnerable based on their control of the process of elections, of opinion shaping information and influence, and of national demographics.
They are far more shaken than we realize right now, they know they are broken and shattered and there will be some vicious battles in their party soon.
And just one more point needs to be made why she wouldn’t have won I beleive even if she had time
Americans watched innocent people by the 1000’s get charged and thrown into prison many of them for simply protesting. They watched cops bait them into the Capitol grounds by opening the gates and ,eading them in, only to see the get arrested and thrown into prison without trials for years on end, in miserable so,itsry conditions in prisons with serious problems which cause death issues for some
Americans watched innocent people thrown into prison, their who.e lives ruined, their families suffering, going broke etc, simply for protesting and doing far far ,ess damage than blm and antifa riots did-
They noted how that such truancy could come for them under such ttyranical liberal leadership, and they rejected that in my opinion. The left abused their power to the enth degree, ruined people’s lives, threw innocent people into prisons, threw grandma’s into prison to die there for protesting outside abortion clinics-
I think a lot of the people said enough of the tyranny, and voted for pres Trump. The pendulum swung back In favor of decency and low costs of living- also the working people especially came out big for pres Trump in all groups of folks
Nope- got stung on this one-
I think the points though in my second response still hold as folks saw the pettiness, vindictiveness, ruthless manner of tyranny that the left did for 4 years under biden and said no more- it wouldn’t have mattered in my opinion who they put up- their candidates would have been Whitmer, Newscum, and a few other highly unlikeable tyrants- i think even a “likeable tyrant” would have been rejected in this election because people were hurting, badly.
IMO, plan was to install michelle obama....maybe, obama/newsom....obama/clooney? Had to have the right race and gender at the top of the ticket. Biden jumped in and screwed them by endorsing kamala. Others quickly followed. That forced obamas to endorse her days later. I cant believe kamala was ever the plan.
Yep, rfk I think would have been their only real hope- thank the lord though that he was kicked out, disowned bothered left. I still don’t trust the man, but I think he can be of help to our party on some issues. But I think that it might be setting him up for a run agaisnt jd Vance now- I hope Vance does enough to solidify his chances of being the nominee though. But rfk might run as independent agsisn him unfortunately- not sure though which party a third candidate might help, dems or repubs?
The Democrat/Communist Party has moved so far to the Left that, coupled with the power-base the radical members of the cult have established, do not — as they always do — allow dissent. Thus, “moderate” Democrats who do not embrace Marxism and DEI, etc. as unworthy of serious consideration as a Democrat/Communist Party candidate; that is, as with dissent, “moderate” Democrats are not tolerated and are exiled within this secular religious cult.
We had a damn good RNC. Thank you Lara Trump. Early vote and get out the vote efforts were phenomenal.
The era if Identity Politics is over....
Whether the Democrats realize this or not is yet to be seen.
As long as the Obama wing of the party holds power, its pretty clear they have not realized it.
Not by a longshot.
I have a different theory about 2020.
I believe the Democrats were convinced, in January 2020, that Trump was going to be re-elected handily. They convinced all the younger, more energetic candidates to bow out of the race and position themselves for 2024. They figured they'd run a decrepit old loser like Biden because he had no future in the party anyway -- kind of like Bob Dole for the GOP in 1996.
They never expected the COVID fiasco to emerge and spiral out of control the way it did in March 2020.
The timing works out perfectly for my theory. Biden looked terrible as a candidate in the early primaries, and THEN all the competitors cleared the field for him right before "Super Tuesday" on March 3rd of 2020. Then the world went to hell and they suddenly found themselves in a position where they could credibly beat Trump, but they had the most awful candidate in the last 50 years as their front-runner.
The Democrats were perfectly content to run a feeble, senile retardate in 2020 because they never expected him to win.
Oh I don’t mean its going to disappear overnight... nothing ever does just disappear, but its obvious at this point the backs been broken.
Will the DNC realize it and pivot? Well, as long as the Obama faction of the party stays in control they won’t, and they will keep losing.
Sooner or later they are going to have to come to terms with the fact they are in a toxic codependent relationship with teh OBama wing of the party and cut them loose. Until they do that, they will continue to lose.
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