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Ex-Pentagon official claims US has recovered nonhuman specimens
NewNation ^ | August 20, 2024 | Patrick Djordjevic

Posted on 08/21/2024 4:32:37 AM PDT by iontheball

(NewsNation) — Former Pentagon insider Luis Elizondo says the Department of Defense has a spacecraft crash retrieval program and has recovered nonhuman specimens.

In a NewsNation special, Elizondo reveals more than any Pentagon official has done before, naming the government agencies and aerospace companies he says possess these alleged spacecraft.

Tune into the full NewsNation Special Report “Confessions of a UFO Hunter” Friday 9/8c followed by a special edition of Banfield reacting to the special at 10/9c. Not sure how to find NewsNation on your TV? Find your channel here.

Elizondo told NewsNation’s Ross Coulthart that the U.S. government recovered one of two unidentified anomalous phenomena (UAP) during Roswell 1947.

(Excerpt) Read more at newsnationnow.com ...


TOPICS: Conspiracy; Government; Religion; UFO's
KEYWORDS: aliens; fringe; luiselizondo; nbe; ohsomysteriouso; patrickdjordjevic; rosscoulthart; ufo; ufos
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To: mad_as_he$$

“I am very certain when aliens fly by Earth they lock the doors and roll up the windows.“
————

That face you make when you’ve made eye contact with the alien and you hear the electronic door locks activate. Ka-klunk.

It makes me feel like a criminal. Ha Ha.


101 posted on 08/29/2024 7:56:24 AM PDT by Vermont Lt (Don’t vote for anyone over 70 years old. Get rid of the geriatric politicians.)
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To: RoosterRedux

One funny Montalk story...on one of the lengthy discussions of UFO folks Steven Bassett was pushing his usual “Congress will disclose everything in a few months” nonsense that Bassett has been pushing for thirty years.

Montalk carefully and methodically destroyed all of Bassett’s arguments and Bassett paused for a moment and then said—quite sincerely, no sarcasm—”You are brilliant”.

Montalk really is brilliant—not just in science but in using reason to sort through incredibly complex and confusing data points.

Montalk supports disclosure—but does not support Bassett’s “controlled disclosure” where the guilty humans escape punishment.


102 posted on 08/29/2024 7:59:45 AM PDT by cgbg ("Our democracy" = Their Kleptocracy)
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To: cgbg
I just spent the better part of the last hour listening to Montalk, and I’ll give him credit—he does present some interesting theories.

However, the challenge with many internet theories is that they’re often difficult to evaluate. Until a theory can be properly assessed—or ideally proven—it remains just that: a theory.

I don’t know much about Montalk, but given the extraordinary nature of his claims and the lack of evidence he provides, I believe that he would need one of the following to lend credibility to his theories:

  1. Significant credentials or endorsements from recognized experts.
  2. Evidence of peer review by individuals with strong credentials.
  3. A carefully constructed logical or mathematical proof, even if based on circumstantial or anecdotal evidence that can be objectively evaluated.
Without these, it’s hard to take more than a passing interest in theories that sound intriguing but lack substantiation.

If Montalk does have any of the above, please let me know. He is certainly interesting.

103 posted on 08/29/2024 10:09:21 AM PDT by RoosterRedux (Thinking is difficult. And painful. That’s why many people fall for authoritarian ideologies.)
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To: RoosterRedux

I think the way to approach Montalk is to make sure you understand exactly what he is saying and why he is saying it.

Then you can compare that to any other sources of information you may have.

I do not see any government “disclosure” in our near future—and it does not look like the non human intelligences are particularly interested in disclosing themselves.

So it is what we have.

I think he does the best job of piecing together data of anyone I have heard—in an uncertain world with no “proof” of much of anything.


104 posted on 08/29/2024 10:16:51 AM PDT by cgbg ("Our democracy" = Their Kleptocracy)
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To: z3n
You have to feel sorry for Elizondo. The more he jumps up and down trying to get us to look at the big, shiny balloon, the more we ignore it.
105 posted on 08/29/2024 10:17:25 AM PDT by liberalh8ter ( Ephesians 6:10 - 18)
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To: RoosterRedux

Just one other comment...

Montalk sees himself as a detective in a crime scene.

Nobody wants to tell him the truth. Everybody has something to hide.

He has to start from scratch and dig and dig and figure out what is happening.

There is no “proof” to be had—there is only evidence.


106 posted on 08/29/2024 10:28:29 AM PDT by cgbg ("Our democracy" = Their Kleptocracy)
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To: RoosterRedux

The “Internet” comment also hit a nerve here.

Montalk has been at this for decades and he has written several books.

Here are his books—all excellent and worth a read:

https://www.amazon.com/Books-Montalk/s?rh=n%3A283155%2Cp_27%3AMontalk

Note that some of them date back as far as 2012.

He is not a newbie.


107 posted on 08/29/2024 10:38:29 AM PDT by cgbg ("Our democracy" = Their Kleptocracy)
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To: RoosterRedux

Different name if you have not heard of him:

Jason Sands—he is a military/intelligence community/contractor whistleblower who claims to have personal contact with an alien while working for .gov in secret programs.

He answered questions for five hours from the Twitter UFO group and imho is very credible:

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=7eNortGxPrM

He is one of the whistleblowers who provided info to Congress—and he volunteered to escort them to sites where these alien craft and body retrieval programs were in place in the 1990s.

So far nobody in Congress took him up on that offer.


108 posted on 08/29/2024 10:44:02 AM PDT by cgbg ("Our democracy" = Their Kleptocracy)
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To: cgbg
Evidence is fine (even circumstantial evidence or just logical proofs). Does he provide any written documents as to his evidence that one can study?

I know there is no proof to any of this stuff. But in a world of talk and podcasts, we have to be able to build a constructive case for what we accept.

109 posted on 08/29/2024 10:44:27 AM PDT by RoosterRedux (Thinking is difficult. And painful. That’s why many people fall for authoritarian ideologies.)
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To: RoosterRedux

Montalk is not in the document collection business.

That is not his world.

He is not going to fit into your paradigm as to what is acceptable evidence.

Accept (or reject) him as he is—not how you might want him to be.


110 posted on 08/29/2024 10:46:00 AM PDT by cgbg ("Our democracy" = Their Kleptocracy)
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To: cgbg
It's not that I accept him or reject him, it's just his or anyone else's theories (including my own) have to meet standards to be considered something more than just "theories" (i.e., opinions).

I can't formulate accurate perceptions of reality based merely on the untested opinions of other people that I don't even know.

111 posted on 08/29/2024 11:44:19 AM PDT by RoosterRedux (Thinking is difficult. And painful. That’s why many people fall for authoritarian ideologies.)
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To: RoosterRedux

I understand—test his theories against all the data other folks provide.

I think it fits (and improves on) the analysis of folks like Dolan, Vallee, Keel and the whistleblowers.

Btw on the Sands video link—his claim is that the US .gov has recovered an alien craft (and often bodies) every two or three years or so since the early 1950s—so we are talking about thirty craft or so in .gov and/or contractor possession.


112 posted on 08/29/2024 11:50:21 AM PDT by cgbg ("Our democracy" = Their Kleptocracy)
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To: RoosterRedux

I am listening to Sands now—he claims the Holloman treaty with Eisenhower was legit and was the basis for current human—non-human agreements.

He also claims that non-humans work side by side with humans on various national security programs.

Needless to say Congress never got to approve any treaty—kinda a big constitutional issue....


113 posted on 08/29/2024 12:09:04 PM PDT by cgbg ("Our democracy" = Their Kleptocracy)
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To: cgbg

If the Department of Defense has indeed concealed information about aliens, UFOs, or UAPs from the American public for all these years, they have allowed us—and likely the entire world—to exist in a delusional, fabricated reality.

In my opinion, if this is true, those responsible should be lined up against a wall and offered one last cigarette.


114 posted on 08/29/2024 1:00:44 PM PDT by RoosterRedux (Thinking is difficult. And painful. That’s why many people fall for authoritarian ideologies.)
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To: RoosterRedux

That is why Bassett irritates me so much.

He wants a “reconciliation” that lets the bad guys off the hook—and argues that is the only way to get most of them to talk.

I would rather we pry the truth out of the vast majority of them—and let them suffer the full consequences of their actions.


115 posted on 08/29/2024 1:10:09 PM PDT by cgbg ("Our democracy" = Their Kleptocracy)
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To: RoosterRedux

You may well have seen this—Richard Dolan’s review of Elizondo’s book:

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=uazfN6CqUeQ

He was pleased that Lu documented many points that Dolan has been making for years.

As you say for advanced students of this topic there may be “nothing new”—just more documentation of the basics.

I have no problem with that—everyone has their role to play.

Whistleblowers like Lu, Grusch and Sands (and apparently thirty more) are making their case to Congressional staff but there is a lot of resistance.

My view (as you know) is that this fanatical resistance is because the rabbit hole is much deeper than many in the “mainline” UFO community are comfortable with—I am talking about a human/alien combined Secret Space Program that is a chamber of horrors—almost every crime known to man involved in that program.

Good luck getting Congress to dig deep into that mess.


116 posted on 08/29/2024 6:07:51 PM PDT by cgbg ("Our democracy" = Their Kleptocracy)
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To: Theophilus

“In the ‘50s, intergalctic UFO technogy was very primative and accident prone. You can tell from the pictures, they’ve come a long way!”

They stole our technology for flying cars at about that time.
Their improved flight capabilities are directly correlated to that time.


117 posted on 08/29/2024 6:17:29 PM PDT by HereInTheHeartland (Have you seen Joe Biden's picture on a milk carton?)
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To: HereInTheHeartland
They stole our technology for flying cars at about that time.

And made us forget that tech when we were right on the brink. It must have been the probes.

118 posted on 08/29/2024 6:38:12 PM PDT by Theophilus (covfefe)
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To: Theophilus

“ And made us forget that tech when we were right on the brink.”

I’m still very angry I don’t yet have a flying car.
The comic books I read in the late 60’s assured me we would have them .
Darn thieving aliens .


119 posted on 08/29/2024 6:48:41 PM PDT by HereInTheHeartland (Have you seen Joe Biden's picture on a milk carton?)
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To: cgbg

I have a big problem with Lue and his book “Imminent.” He only expanded on what he had already told us, offering nothing new—despite promising otherwise.

Several years ago, Lue was asked in an interview what the mood of humanity would be a week after learning the truth about the beings who pilot UFOs/UAPs. His response was shocking: he said the mood would be “somber.” That’s the crux of all this chatter.

Lue promised to expand on that—not just talk about AASAP/AATIP, how it was funded, and what it did politically.

People want to know who these beings (all varieties of them) are and what they want. Why would we be “somber” after learning the truth? Instead of answering these crucial questions, Lue gave us a book about his childhood, his parents, his military experience, and his time at the Pentagon. He recounted the same stories about the Nimitz, the Princeton, the Roosevelt, and their encounters with tic-tacs and triangular craft—information we already knew.

Except for his personal biography, which, while nice, adds little value, Lue told us nothing—absolutely nothing—we didn’t already know.

It’s like if a giant, seaworthy Noah’s Ark suddenly appeared in the middle of Kansas, and all people did was discuss its size, how it was built, and take photos of it. The real question, of course, is “What about the flood this ark was built for? And who built it?”

Our world seems to have been invaded by beings from somewhere, yet all we do is talk endlessly about their tic-tacs and how they threaten our military aircraft. It’s concerning that since Dr. John Mack and Budd Hopkins passed away, and Professor David Jacobs retired, no one has picked up their mantle to address the deeper, more important issues.

This is why Lue’s book is disappointing. We don’t need more talk about tic-tacs, AATIP, and Roswell. We need to explore who these beings are and what they want. And if the military won’t tell us, we must seek other evidence—beyond just photos and videos of their ships.

We need to stop focusing on the giant ark in Kansas and start talking about the flood.


120 posted on 08/30/2024 1:59:30 AM PDT by RoosterRedux (Thinking is difficult. And painful. That’s why many people fall for authoritarian ideologies.)
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