Posted on 08/20/2024 12:30:12 PM PDT by whyilovetexas111
The M4 Carbine dates back to the Vietnam War when the Long-Range Reconnaissance Patrol soldiers needed a weapon that was compact and still semi-concealable so they could snoop deep into enemy territory without being seen. This was the CAR-15, the older brother of the M4. The M-16 was longer and cumbersome in close combat situations, so special operations personnel later preferred the smaller size of the M4, especially when they jumped out of airplanes.
The M4 then spread to light infantry units later in the 1990s. Some soldiers and marines still used the M-16A2 and A3 until the Second Gulf War and you can see photos of marines still using the M16A4 in combat as late as 2004.
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I believe the reason the military dropped the M14 was in part because it was difficult to control when using automatic fire.
Given the recoil of the 6.8 and 7.62 are similar this problem will likely surface again.
Modern military bullpups are ambidextrous, and may be configured to eject brass to the left.
I carried an automatic M14 the whole 15 months I served in combat in Vietnam. I was 21 years old, weighed 175, 60 inches tall. I had no trouble at all carrying or firing the M14 and full auto was quite controllable - when I used it as ir was intended: firing from the prone, using a bipod and the folding buttplate on my shoulder.
Ignore the “experts” who demonstrate automatic fire from the standing position.
Only idiots fire full auto from the offhand.
The M14 had punch, shot with precision and killed what it hit.
Yeap...spasmatic...
OR.......another possibility would be when
1)you have 3.5 inches of SAPI plate and body armor on your chest,
2) 3 rows of three deep magazines on your chest on top of the Sapi plates,
3) Side Sapis underneath your arms.
4) You radio and its antenna
5) Frag and/or Flashbangs, either above or below your
magazines
6) Flex cuffs
7) Your first aid kit
8) straps from either your ruck sack or your assault pack
9) possible cold weather jacket underneath all of it.
THEN.. when you put all that on....I’d LOVE to see you try to get your LEFT arm underneath your RIGHT armpit with the absolute ease that these rehearsed youtubers are demonstrating on a range in a sterile environment with nothing more than a bandolier on..
And for extra credit, then try to do it form the kneeling position and tell me that trying to jam a magazine under your chin is easier that sticking it into a magazine well eight inches off your chest.
Sure, now brush the crumbs off your keyboard fat boy.
Your mom is coming to the basement to tell you to get a job.
Its funny that your but hurt....
But the shit doesn’t work with a combat load.
M14s in stock as-issued form, were good enough for average Marines to qualify as Sharpshooters (213- 219 out of 250 points) on a known distance range, with a max distance of 500m. I have successfully engaged the enemy out to 600m myself.
The really important part of the M14 was its dependability: it always fired, in heavy rain, dust storms, and weeks without good cleaning in a very filthy environment. The 7.62mm NATO round dependably punched through walls, gravestones, heavy foliage, whathaveyou, and killed whatever was on the other side.
I have also successfully used the National Match M14 in Marine Corps competition in all weather, winning several times (one gold medal, one bronze and two team trophies). My match M14 never failed me and that fiberglass bedding didn't need pampering.
In short, yet another enthusiast for the goofy Stoner design, which is a fine rifle for the civilian range and the gun safe - but I will always be skeptical about any military action that doesn't allow easy access to the chamber and is made of aluminum.
When your life depends on it, wood and steel, baby!
I don’t disagree with what you say; I shoot a M1 myself though it’s not quite the same thing.
The article was just a look at the reasoning behind the decision to drop the .308.
If you remember the Europeans weren’t sold on that idea and kept the FAL and G3 around for decades.
you are looking for “milled”
I sure was...and “milled”...not “Honed” was the correct term.
I just couldn’t remember it when I was writing that post.
Just buy a new piston AR.
As for me. I’ve shot thousands of rounds of cheap steel cased ammo in my 2 AR’s. Wolf 55 gr. to be exact. Never had a fail to fire or eject. Only cleaning I do is to occasionally clean barrel. Spray and wipe bolt with CLP. As far as the ammo. Bought a Savage 223 bolt gun recently specifically to shoot the Wolf. Have had 3 FTF out of about 50 rounds and 2 stuck cases. So I would say my AR’s will function with about anything. Delton Hbar midlength. And Sabre Defense M-4 clone. Both flawless.
You may want to read up on Phantom Fury…..second largest MOUT in US history; second only to Hue. It was up close and personal….not some 300+ yard shots where the shooter missed and blamed it on poor ammo. You can read about some of the incidents in the books “No True Glory,” and “Fallujah with Honor,” that had multiple witnesses. Pay particular attention to 2D Plt A 1/8’s recovery of LCpl Desiato’s remains and what doped up terrorists can live through. And no shit I was there for much of it (until wounded), and lived it. I don’t need to tell sea stories….I have historians to tell my stories.
Interesting cartridge, what do those rounds sell for? I have Ruger 9 mm carbine for fun.
https://www.luckygunner.com/rifle/300-blackout-ammo
https://palmettostatearmory.com/300-blackout-ammo.html
Still a little high for entertainment, guess I will still use the 22 for fun.
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