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To: ansel12

He’s a republican NOW, he wasn’t always, and frankly isn’t terribly conservative. No he does not run the party. And his election effect are so-so at best.

No I’m not telling FR to vote for anybody. The question presented was how do you get change. And you don’t get change but continuing to vote for the same parties that you know don’t stand for anything to alternate power. Vote for who you want, I don’t give a crap, your vote. But when you start complaining that the GOP is the stupid party who always surrenders to the Dems and let’s them do whatever they want and nothing is changing remember, I told that would happen.


136 posted on 04/07/2024 10:24:46 AM PDT by discostu (like a dog being shown a card trick)
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To: discostu

Trump is a Republican, get over it.

You are telling people to not vote republican, not vote for Trump, you even said you personally prefer the open borders party, that freepers should even vote Greens as long as they avoid President Trump’s party, you are making a fool of yourself.


137 posted on 04/07/2024 10:33:12 AM PDT by ansel12 ((NATO warrior under Reagan, and RA under Nixon, bemoaning the pro-Russians from Vietnam to Ukraine.))
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To: discostu

I think to change the Republican party you have to change the Republican voters and you have to change the incentives for politicians to ignore their voters.

Voters considering who to vote for need to look beyond the propaganda machine which is also deeply connected to the corruption machine. When voters investigate and think independently of the media-corruption machine, politicians will no longer be able to do what it takes to get in good with the machine and then just let the machine repay them and re-elect them forever. That’s how it is now with both parties. And if all else remained the same it would be the same result even if we had 20 different parties.

What made Trump a different - very, very welcome - option for R voters in 2016 is that he laughed at the media and said out loud what we all knew about the media already. He could afford to do that because he didn’t need the media and thus was never owned by them. The same thing held true for the corruptocracy. He was already independently wealthy; he didn’t need their bribes so he could point them out. It made him a big target and that’s why they are trying to bankrupt him through legal persecution.

If we the people can convince the straight-shooters in the R party that WE will get them elected in spite of the corrupt media we might see a new kind of R party.

I think the RINO’s bailing out is a step in the right direction, but now we the people need to outdo the media in making a convincing case to the voters.


141 posted on 04/07/2024 12:27:45 PM PDT by butterdezillion
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