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To: discostu

What difference is competition going to make? Suppose there is a competitive 3rd party. Nobody gets a majority of the electoral votes. It goes to the House of Representatives and they choose a President. What has changed?

You don’t solve anything without addressing the root cause of the problem. Why are the political parties up to no good? Because they can get away with it? Why can they get away with it? If people are stuck being in the House and Senate and get the same money either way, why not do something worthwhile rather than baloney? There has to be an incentive to keep doing the crap instead of sometimes doing something good. And if that’s the case, then that incentive will be the same regardless of how many parties there are.

I just don’t see where you’re coming from.

I support getting rid of the incentives for politicians to become crooks instead of actually serving a useful purpose. Remove the bribes and threats and policy decisions can be made on the merits.

Heck, if the democrats lost all their crooks, maybe even they would come up with some decent policy decisions.

Take Ukraine. If Ukraine wasn’t laundering money for all the crooks in DC, how many would vote to send their constituents’ tax dollars abroad to make sure all Ukrainian men end up dead? We all know why they won’t do the decent thing and push for a diplomatic ending to the bloodshed. It’s because they are all in the pockets of the moneyholders in Ukraine and elsewhere. That’s not going to change just because some of the crooks have an I behind their name instead of D or R.

As long as corruption can buy politicians, D, R, and I politicians will ALL be worthless for doing anything genuinely good.


102 posted on 04/06/2024 6:36:33 PM PDT by butterdezillion
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106 posted on 04/06/2024 7:05:02 PM PDT by Dick Bachert (TH)
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To: butterdezillion

One of the things that the Right has long suffered from is “Electionism”.

Which is the delusion that if conservative politicians win an election, the “neutral” and “non-partisan” civil service and bureaucracy dispassionately implements their agenda.

In fact, the bureaucracies are captured, and are the centre of the Resistance.

The Left has never had popular support for any of their major agendas. Whether it was school prayer, death penalty, busing, affirmative action, mass immigration, “free trade”, gay marriage... they never had popular support for any of it.

But it doesn’t matter. If the elites all agree on something like “free trade” or mass immigration, they control the institutions which make it happen. Regardless of what the public wants.

The implication is the things that the elites agree on cannot be change by elections.

And when there are candidates like Trump (or Netanyahu, or Berlusconi) who are actually not part of that system, the Regime tries to put them in prison.


108 posted on 04/06/2024 7:40:09 PM PDT by Reverend Wright ( Everything touched by progressives, dies !)
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To: butterdezillion

Competition means what competition has always meant: not being able to just sit on their ass and do nothing while the money rolls in. If they get competition some of that competition might actually stand for something. Some of it might actually try to solve problems. Just having competition will not being able jerrymander job security.

How are you going to remove the bribes and threats when there’s only 2 parties that exist entirely on bribes and threats?

You’ve got it backwards. The D and R are the SOURCE of the corruption. They built this system to get bribed. They will NEVER allow any law to get passed that will ever threaten the bribery. So if you want to end that you MUST support 3rd party


114 posted on 04/06/2024 7:51:21 PM PDT by discostu (like a dog being shown a card trick)
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