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To: pierrem15

My understanding.

1. EO’s from previous presidents, including Trump, and various other actual laws, outline how classified information is to be managed in many instances. But mishandling of classified is not one of the charges against Trump.

2. The Presidential Records Act was written to define what is a Presidential Record verses what is Personal Record, and it makes those definitions very distinctly on its own, and does not leave it up to Presidents to adjust it to fit their needs when leaving office. It is not a criminal charge, only civil, for violating it.

3. What Trump is being charged with are criminal laws under the Espionage Act. They have been rarely used in all of US history, and never against a President, but they are laws governing the handling of government owned, national security information, whether it is classified or not.


43 posted on 03/19/2024 11:16:49 AM PDT by Golden Eagle (It is far easier to fool someone, than to convince them that they've been fooled. )
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To: Golden Eagle
a) EOs aren't laws. They are applications of existing laws, and are subject to the same legal and Constitutional issues as regular laws. We don't have (yet) any imperial edicts. One big question here would be whether EOs apply to Constitutional offices like President & VP

b) the PRA basically states that what a President deems a personal record is a personal record: its classification level is not addressed, but no restrictions are specified.

c)The rule of lenity would suggest that without specific legislation saying otherwise, Smith cannot change the interpretation of the law to criminalize behavior that isn't clearly criminal beforehand.

Point (b) above is part of Judge Cannon's questions to Trump's attorney's and Smith.

44 posted on 03/19/2024 11:25:02 AM PDT by pierrem15 ("Massacrez-les, car le seigneur connait les siens" )
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To: Golden Eagle
You keep saying that the “classified” vs. “not classified” status of the documents in question isn’t relevant here. But …

1. Isn’t this exactly what is being asserted here by the DOJ in its attempts to hide the evidence from the court and/or jury?

2. How does the Espionage Act define “national security information?”

The judge in this case has painted the DOJ into a corner. The prosecutors are going to need SOMEBODY other than the prosecution team to provide the legal basis for that determination.

46 posted on 03/19/2024 11:36:19 AM PDT by Alberta's Child (If something in government doesn’t make sense, you can be sure it makes dollars.)
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