[BroJoeK]

FLT-bird: "The Treaty of Paris recognized the sovereignty of each of the 13 colonies individually.
The states did not surrender their sovereignty when they ratified the US Constitution.
Once again, this is a lie on your part not supported by any of the writings at the time and not supported by numerous SCOTUS decisions right up to the present day which recognizes the sovereignty of the states."

No, because we are talking about degrees of sovereignty here, and it is simple fact that after ratification in 1788 under the new US constitution, states were less sovereign than they had been previously.

FLT-bird: "South Carolina like the rest of the Confederate states had only recently seceded and had not had time to construct a navy yet."

Nor did it ever, since that was a function of Federal government.

FLT-bird: "They had already invaded South Carolina's sovereign territory and were threatening to do so again with a heavily armed fleet of warships."

But in fact, they never did, and their orders were not to, so long as Confederates remained peaceful.

And so your whole meme about a Union "war fleet" invading South Carolina's "sovereign territory" is babbling nonsense.
It never happened, nor was it necessary to trigger Jefferson Davis to order Fort Sumter be "reduced" by Confederate artillery.

Davis, by his own confession, intended to start Civil War at Forts Sumter and Pickens regardless of what Lincoln did or didn't do.
And the reasons are not in the least difficult to understand.

[FLT-bird]

No, because we are talking about degrees of sovereignty here, and it is simple fact that after ratification in 1788 under the new US constitution, states were less sovereign than they had been previously.

No, they were just as sovereign. They merely delegated some of their sovereign rights to the newly created federal government for as long as they saw fit.

Nor did it ever, since that was a function of Federal government.

The CSA did what it could to build a navy but it had to start from scratch while defending itself against invasion so it didn't have that many ships.

But in fact, they never did, and their orders were not to, so long as Confederates remained peaceful.

But in fact they already had invaded South Carolina's sovereign territory and their orders were to invade South Carolina's sovereign territory to reinforce the illegal squatters in Fort Sumter.

And so your whole meme about a Union "war fleet" invading South Carolina's "sovereign territory" is babbling nonsense.

it is your denial which is laughable nonsense.

It never happened, nor was it necessary to trigger Jefferson Davis to order Fort Sumter be "reduced" by Confederate artillery.

It was sent with orders to invade South Carolina's sovereign territory after previous federal ships had already invaded South Carolina's sovereign territory.

Davis, by his own confession, intended to start Civil War at Forts Sumter and Pickens regardless of what Lincoln did or didn't do.,/p>

No he didn't. He merely intended to evict the illegal squatters as any leader of any country would.

And the reasons are not in the least difficult to understand.

Agreed. No country is going to allow another to hold forts on its territory especially not ones in one of its principle harbors.