No, because we are talking about degrees of sovereignty here, and it is simple fact that after ratification in 1788 under the new US constitution, states were less sovereign than they had been previously.No, they were just as sovereign. They merely delegated some of their sovereign rights to the newly created federal government for as long as they saw fit.
Nor did it ever, since that was a function of Federal government.
The CSA did what it could to build a navy but it had to start from scratch while defending itself against invasion so it didn't have that many ships.
But in fact, they never did, and their orders were not to, so long as Confederates remained peaceful.
But in fact they already had invaded South Carolina's sovereign territory and their orders were to invade South Carolina's sovereign territory to reinforce the illegal squatters in Fort Sumter.
And so your whole meme about a Union "war fleet" invading South Carolina's "sovereign territory" is babbling nonsense.
it is your denial which is laughable nonsense.
It never happened, nor was it necessary to trigger Jefferson Davis to order Fort Sumter be "reduced" by Confederate artillery.
It was sent with orders to invade South Carolina's sovereign territory after previous federal ships had already invaded South Carolina's sovereign territory.
Davis, by his own confession, intended to start Civil War at Forts Sumter and Pickens regardless of what Lincoln did or didn't do.,/p>
No he didn't. He merely intended to evict the illegal squatters as any leader of any country would.
And the reasons are not in the least difficult to understand.
Agreed. No country is going to allow another to hold forts on its territory especially not ones in one of its principle harbors.
FLT-bird:
"No, they were just as sovereign.
They merely delegated some of their sovereign rights to the newly created federal government for as long as they saw fit." In reality, every delegated power was a reduction in a state's sovereignty, and there was nothing in any of our Founding documents about a future expiration date.
FLT-bird: "The CSA did what it could to build a navy but it had to start from scratch while defending itself against invasion so it didn't have that many ships."
Not even close.
By my count the CSA had nearly 400 ships & boats in total, of which 225 were CSA Navy and another 156 were civilian privateers, including:
CSA Navy:
- 31 Ironclad steam batteries
- 3 Ironclad floating batteries
- 4 Wooden floating batteries
- 19 Wooden cruisers
- 7 Ironclad cruisers
- 88 Gunboats
- 12 Torpedo/submarine boats
- 11 Blockade Runners
- 26 Steamers
- 8 Transports
- 4 Cutters
- 1 Hospital ship
- 11 Tenders and tugs
225 Total CSA navy vessels.
Civilian privateers:
- 39 Privateers
- 4 Submarines
- 3 Steamers
- 5 Transports
- 54 Blockade runners
- 21 Blockade runners -- foreign owned
- 19 Riverboats
- 11 others misc. categories
156 CSA Civilian privateers
FLT-bird:
"But in fact they already had invaded South Carolina's sovereign territory and their orders were to invade South Carolina's sovereign territory to reinforce the illegal squatters in Fort Sumter." Of course, all that is just Lost Causer nonsense.
In fact, there was no "invasion" and no "squatters" any more than there is today in Guantanamo, Cuba when the US sends ships to resupply & reinforce our base there.
FLT-bird: "No he didn't.
He merely intended to evict the illegal squatters as any leader of any country would."
By any definition in any book in history, Davis firing on Union forces in Union Fort Sumter was an act of war and/or rebellion, and Davis 100% knew & understood that.
So why our Lost Causers would constantly lie about it is beyond any reasonable comprehension.
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