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To: Robert DeLong; PIF; gleeaikin; UMCRevMom@aol.com; JonPreston
Robert DeLong: "All it has done is allow the criminals to fleece the American taxpayers, while letting the nation's infrastructure go to decay & waste."

Repeated Russian propaganda, to the effect that criminals are fleecing American taxpayers through Ukraine aid, is not supported by any actual evidence I've ever seen.
As best I can tell, your words here are meaningless.

As for American infrastructure, that is a very different subject, a matter of political policies and priorities.
Sadly, our Democrats are less concerned with the nation's infrastructure than they are with their own radical agenda, spending untold $trillions on insane vote-buying schemes like "green new deal" and college student loan forgiveness.
The result is that even if we eliminated 100% of Ukraine aid it would not improve our infrastructure or border security one bit, because those are not things our Democrats care about.

The only thing that can improve those problems is voting Democrats out of political power and restoring sanity to our national policies and priorities.

Ukraine has nothing to do with any of that.

Robert DeLong: "We have been allowing uncontrolled legal immigration. as well as, illegal immigration in order for the top 1 percent to become even move wealthy, because the whole purpose is to bring in cheaper labor, because their wealth is never enough."

I gather from your words that you are not really American and so don't really understand what's going on here.
In fact, our government-managed flood of illegal immigrants is only tangentially related to cheaper labor.
The real existential purpose for Democrats is to increase Democrat representations in Congress, in the face of massive population flights from the Big Cities, which are the core of Democrat political power.
Illegal immigrants increase Democrat representation even though they cannot vote.
Massive illegal immigration is also intimately related to radical Democrat goals of Voter Replacement and Accelerationism.

Robert DeLong: "Russia does the same thing, but in fact, Zelenskyy is acting like a dictator that you claim Putin is.
Putin is certainly no angel, but the U.S. has been nothing but bellicose towards Russia & Putin."

No, first of all -- there is a huge difference between Russia and Ukraine, beginning with this: Vlad the Invader has been Russia's dictator for effectively 24 years now, making him Russia's longest serving ruler since Joseph Stalin's 30 years from 1922 to 1952.
By stark contrast, Ukraine has constitutionally elected six presidents since 1991, only one ever reelected, meaning Ukraine's democratic institutions are strong and frequently exercised, unlike Russia's atrophied democracy rendering Russia an effective dictatorship.

As for allegations that Ukraine's Pres. Zelenskyy rules "like a dictator", it's just nonsense, since any country under invasion from foreign armies -- including the USA -- grants temporary emergency war-powers to its leaders, in hopes they can direct the country's resources toward victory.

Finally, here, your word "bellicose" is meaningless nonsense, since it violates a basic tenet of US foreign policy going back well over 100 years to the time of Pres. Teddy Roosevelt:

So for Americans, loud "bellicose" talk is a sign of weakness and would absolutely be interpreted as weakness by aggressive dictators like Vlad the Invader.
Clearly, combined with our disgraceful and unnecessary abandonment of Afghanistan, Vlad was provoked by American weakness into doing what he has intended for many years, to fulfill his pledges to begin to restore Russia's Old Empire of Fear.

Robert DeLong: "You are a simpleton who can't see the realities, because you have been successfully brainwashed/conditioned just like Pavlov's dog, and Russia/Potin is your red meat that makes you salivate.
Good boy."

Here you are simply describing your own mental state and projecting it onto me.
It is a propaganda tactic long used by the Old Soviets and also increasingly by our own US Sovietized Democrat radicals.

So, here's the truth of this -- I see perfectly well that Vlad the Invader is fundamentally an Old Soviet KGB LtCol, who has now ruled Russia for 24 years and intends to restore as much as possible of the Old Soviet & Tsarist Russian Empires.
I see clearly that "Putin's Brain", Alexander Dugin, has laid out the philosophical and mystical-religious basis for a resurrected Russian Empire of Fear.
I see Vlad's decades long pattern of serial threats & aggressions against Russia's neighbors, combined resembling nothing so much as the 1930s.
And I see a new very dangerous "Axis of Evil" including Russia's Vlad the Invader, the CCP's Xi-snake, NoKo's Little Kim and Iran's Moolah Mullahs, among others.

Fundamentally, we are looking at a world divided between peace-loving more democratic countries versus militarily aggressive dictatorships.

Robert DeLong: "You need to look around & employ critical thinking skills, then perhaps you can start to see the BS that you swallow without question.
Biden said right off that we need to take this man out.
Instead of pushing a peace agreement, would have saved much blood shed, as well as, kept Ukraine intact, but that wasn't what was wanted.
What was wanted is exactly what we are seeing, a proxy war that is destroying Ukraine, because it is the criminal 1 percent wants more control, and Ukraine has lots to offer."

So far as I can tell, not even a single word that is factual.
It's all just propaganda fever dreams from the Kremlin's information sewer pipes, having no more relation to reality than a paranoid's abstract painting might.

Robert DeLong: "Wake up before it's too late.
You are helping evil, period."

Obviously you are disoriented and fundamentally confused about the basic differences between good and evil, right and wrong, up and down, day and night.
So I doubt if anything I post here can slap any sense into you, but let me try by showing you the Big Picture, the world's New Axis of Evil, aggressive dictatorships versus more peace-loving western style democracies.

Shades of blue = more democratic. Shades of red = more authoritarian:

28 posted on 01/15/2024 2:52:12 AM PST by BroJoeK (future DDG 134 -- we remember)
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To: BroJoeK
Sorry, I could careless about Russia or Putin. I only care about facts, which you have none of. Just propaganda by the criminals who have taken this nation & you are too ignorant to recognize that reality. You are a lost cause.

As for American infrastructure, that is a very different subject, a matter of political policies and priorities. Sadly, our Democrats are less concerned with the nation's infrastructure than they are with their own radical agenda, spending untold $trillions on insane vote-buying schemes like "green new deal" and college student loan forgiveness.

That statement shows just how clueless you are, because you are stuck on the old Democrat/Republican BS. The truth is both political parties do not care one whit about America, other than it being their personal piggy banks from which they can enrich themselves. They do this by getting us into endless wars. They rebuild what they destroy which lines their pockets, while you & I , our children & grandchildren get the bill for. There are a few on the Republican side who are trying to fight for the American citizens, but cucks like you criticize them at every turn, because you have no fight in you whatsoever.

Robert DeLong: "We have been allowing uncontrolled legal immigration. as well as, illegal immigration in order for the top 1 percent to become even move wealthy, because the whole purpose is to bring in cheaper labor, because their wealth is never enough."

To which you responded: I gather from your words that you are not really American and so don't really understand what's going on here. In fact, our government-managed flood of illegal immigrants is only tangentially related to cheaper labor. The real existential purpose for Democrats is to increase Democrat representations in Congress, in the face of massive population flights from the Big Cities, which are the core of Democrat political power. Illegal immigrants increase Democrat representation even though they cannot vote. Massive illegal immigration is also intimately related to radical Democrat goals of Voter Replacement.

Well, actually I would have mentioned that ad I thought you actually had the capacity of understanding that. However, you are wrong that they can't vote. Perhaps what you meant to say was that they are not allowed to legally vote. What they do is add them to the voter rolls, via motor voter process (that's why they insist on giving these illegal invaders driver's licenses) and viola, they are voters too. They do not need to replace anyone, just counter enough of legal voters votes.

So, tell me why you believe this conflict is our issue, and why we must become more in debt? While Russia has nuclear weapons, so do we, and a few is all it takes to cause severe damage, and that damage will fall upon all nations involved in deploying the nuclear weapons upon others.

Had you all listened to those of us who said to not get involved other than to work out a peace agreement this conflict could have been resolves as it should have been resolved.

But people like you who react like Pavlov's dogs to red meat, which is what Russia & Putin are your meat meat triggers that get you to comply with commands & statements that Russia is dangerous, and that we must use a military action to defend against its aggression. If you would honestly look around, you would see that we are by far the most aggressive nation in the world. Mainly because of people like you that tend to believe everything our government has to say. even with a usurper in occupying the White House as a result of a stolen election.

Sorry BroJoe, but you are nothing but a useful idiot, on so many levels.

Just for the record idiot, I am not only a US citizen, I qualify to hold the offices of President & Vice President, because I am a Natural Born Citizen.

37 posted on 01/15/2024 6:58:35 AM PST by Robert DeLong
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To: BroJoeK
Robert DeLong: "You need to look around & employ critical thinking skills, then perhaps you can start to see the BS that you swallow without question. Biden said right off that we need to take this man out. Instead of pushing a peace agreement, would have saved much blood shed, as well as, kept Ukraine intact, but that wasn't what was wanted. What was wanted is exactly what we are seeing, a proxy war that is destroying Ukraine, because it is the criminal 1 percent wants more control, and Ukraine has lots to offer."

To Which you responded: So far as I can tell, not even a single word that is factual. It's all just propaganda fever dreams from the Kremlin's information sewer pipes, having no more relation to reality than a paranoid's abstract painting might.

This is what I mean that you lack real critical thinking skills. It apparently affects your searching skills as well. Though I know it would have required you to bypass the crap at the top of the search results, because they want to own the narrative, so I will give you an out on that aspect.

Biden says of Putin: 'For God's sake, this man cannot remain in power'

Ukraine, It Was All Written in the Rand Corp Plan. “the U.S. Plan against Russia was Formulated 3 Years Ago

Former German Chancellor Merkel admits the Minsk agreement was merely to buy time for Ukraine’s arms build-up

For 8 years terrorist activities had taken place in eastern Ukraine against Ukrainians whose crime was the ability to speak Russian, as well as, Ukrainian languages and perhaps spoke Russian more often than Ukrainian language. They were asked in to provide security for these Russian speaking Ukrainian citizens, because their government would not provide them that security. Putin was relentless, and in good faith, in his attempts to engage the international community in coming up with a peaceful resolution. His taking the Crimea was due to the color revolution that led to the coup d'état of the duly elected President of Ukraine that the international observers was deemed to be an honest election. The color revolution was the result of Viktor Yanukovych choosing to sign the trade agreement with Russia. He was fully prepared to sign both the EU & Russian trade agreements, because that was what was best for Ukraine, because competition makes for a better outcome. But when the EU found out that Viktor Yanukovych was going to sign both trade agreements, they threatened to pull their trade agreement offer off of the table. Putin & Russia were going to allow Ukraine to trade with the EU, they just were adamant that Ukraine did not become part of NATO which was a direct threat to Russia's national security. Just as when the USSR was threatening to put nuclear weapons in Cuba, was a threat to US national security.

Now the proof that there would have been no bloodshed taking place, would be the result of a peaceful resolution, which they had almost hammered out until Boris Johnson went to visit Zelenskyy who informed him that NATO would have their backs if Zelenskyy refused to sign a peace treaty with Russia. I'm assuming that agreement required Ukraine to remain neutral & not join NATO. Zelenskyy even ran on the platform that he would resolve the tensions in eastern Ukraine, so while I assuming that language regarding BATO was involved, because in 2008 Putin stated that as far as Russian was concerned. NATO encroachment in Georgia & Ukraine were redlines. BTW, Georgia also invited Russia in to put down a rebellion taking place there.

38 posted on 01/15/2024 8:42:14 AM PST by Robert DeLong
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To: BroJoeK
Hey BroJoe, do you need anymore evidence than this:

President Joe Biden offered no words of congratulations or support to Taiwanese President-elect Lai Ching-te following his election victory on Saturday, telling reporters simply that America does “not support independence.”

Joe Biden Fails to Congratulate Taiwan’s President-Elect: ‘We Don’t Support Independence’

Let me be perfectly clear, it confirms that you are nothing but a useful idiot who is buying this illegal usurper administration that gained control by the theft of the 2020 election, PERIOD.

40 posted on 01/15/2024 8:59:26 AM PST by Robert DeLong
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To: BroJoeK

We seem to agree on a lot regarding Russia’s war on Ukraine, so I am wondering about this statement about immigration: “The real existential purpose for Democrats is to increase Democrat representations in Congress, in the face of massive population flights from the Big Cities, which are the core of Democrat political power.
Illegal immigrants increase Democrat representation even though they cannot vote.”

If the above quote is correct then why are the governers of Florida and Texas shipping tens of thousands of immigrants to New York, Chicago, and other places? Are they stupid, ignorant, or part of another agenda? Thanks for your generally interesting comments.


93 posted on 01/18/2024 5:37:46 PM PST by gleeaikin ( Question authority.)
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