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1 posted on 12/21/2023 6:01:44 AM PST by Red Badger
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Speaking of the civil war
Somewhat related video
(Who’s going to tell her about “Republican” confederates”)

Video
NYT’s Mara Gay on Republicans criticizing Colorado for banning Trump from the ballot: “Why are you standing with confederates who betrayed this country?”
https://rumble.com/v42cgh6-nyts-mara-gay-on-republicans-criticizing-colorado-for-banning-trump.html


2 posted on 12/21/2023 6:04:58 AM PST by janetjanet998 (Legacy media including youtube are the enemy of the people and must die)
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To: Red Badger

The “Civil War” was a was between Republicans and Democrats.


3 posted on 12/21/2023 6:07:16 AM PST by Steely Tom ([Voter Fraud] == [Civil War])
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When it comes to politics, the weaselly Democratz always make their own rules. They are the most worthless people living in our country.


4 posted on 12/21/2023 6:10:05 AM PST by FlingWingFlyer (Get the illegal alien refugees out of our government.)
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BTTT


5 posted on 12/21/2023 6:23:50 AM PST by nopardons
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6 posted on 12/21/2023 6:51:25 AM PST by aMorePerfectUnion (I didn't come here to guide lambs, but to awaken lions 🦅 MAGADONIAN ⚔️)
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To: Red Badger

I do think the discussion of the 14th Amendment in the post CW context is interesting.

As I understand it....many people urged Jefferson Davis to run again for the Senate. He didn’t want to serve, and he didn’t want to do anything to seek “permission” to run as it were, and (I believe) he had been demoted to non-citizenship status (which would have made him ineligible to serve in the Senate, right?). But of course stripping him of citizenship was never adjudicated - I think it was just done administratively. He was indicted for treason, but never tried...as neither side wanted to risk a trial.

It’s interesting as civil war (I’m just using that term for discussion purposes) is basically a non-recognized legal activity. There is nothing legal about it. It’s just an outbreak of violence. So establishing/re-establishing legal norms is not easy and looking back at it, you can say “well, that wasn’t legal” and you’d be correct.

In any event...I don’t think it is settled as to whether Jeff Davis “could” have served in the Senate had a southern legislature sent him there. He had not been “convicted” of treason or insurrection. But he was also sort of not eligible because he wasn’t a citizen. (His citizenship was restored in 1978).

This is somewhat relevant to the CO discussion....because obviously only the media has accused Trump of “insurrection”. They are just flat out wrong on this. But there’s not a lot of litigation/decisions on how to stop insurrectionists from serving in public office.

I’d love to hear from better historians and appelate Constitutional lawyers on this. Thank you.


8 posted on 12/21/2023 7:00:04 AM PST by ConservativeDude
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9 posted on 12/21/2023 7:20:07 AM PST by sauropod (The obedient always think of themselves as virtuous rather than cowardly.)
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All the serving politician’s who supported and enabled the BLM riots in 500 plus cities should be banned from the ballots. That’s damn near every democrat card carrying communist in the USA. Illegal aliens, nix gov of Kalifornia. It’s gonna be a shit-show by Nov 24.


13 posted on 12/21/2023 3:57:16 PM PST by Jumper
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Bttt.

5.56mm


16 posted on 12/22/2023 11:14:39 AM PST by M Kehoe (Quid Pro Joe and the Ho have got to go)
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“One key difference between modern elections and those of the mid-nineteenth century is that at the time the state did not print and distribute ballots.

“In theory, any document containing a valid or at least non-excessive number names of citizens of a particular state (provided they were eligible to vote in the electoral college within that state) might have been accepted as a valid presidential ballot; however, what this meant in practice was that a candidate’s campaign was responsible for printing and distributing their own ballots (this service was typically done by supportive newspaper publishers).

“Moreover, since voters did not choose the president directly, but rather presidential electors, the only way for a voter to meaningfully support a particular candidate for president was cast a ballot for citizens of his state who would have pledged to vote for the candidate in the Electoral College.

“In ten southern slave states, no citizen would publicly pledge to vote for Abraham Lincoln, so citizens there had no legal means to vote for the Republican nominee. In most of Virginia, no publisher would print ballots for Lincoln’s pledged electors”

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/1860_United_States_presidential_election


17 posted on 12/22/2023 3:07:10 PM PST by Pelham (President Eisenhower. Operation Wetback 1953-54)
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