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Read a book a few years back outlining a lot of this info. Don’t recall the name of it.
There is little doubt that FDR wanted to get us into WW2. He saw that as a necessity, and he was right.
But here’s the thing. FDR had a special fondness for the Navy. He had once been Assistant Secretary of the Navy. He carried out that job with vigor.
So I could see him maybe hanging the Philippines out as bait. But the fleet at Pearl Harbor? Nope, not buying it.
In re: “While no one can excuse Japan’s belligerence in those days, it is also true that our government provoked that country in various ways — freezing her assets in America; closing the Panama Canal to her shipping; progressively halting vital exports to Japan until we finally joined Britain in an all-out embargo; sending a hostile note to the Japanese ambassador implying military threats if Tokyo did not alter its Pacific policies; and on November 26th — just 11 days before the Japanese attack — delivering an ultimatum that demanded, as prerequisites to resumed trade, that Japan withdraw all troops from China and Indochina, and in effect abrogate her Tripartite Treaty with Germany and Italy.”
It is interesting how the author describes the U.S. actions as actuions that “provoked” Japan, while ignoring the totally reasonable argument that Imperial Japan’s actions in Asia provoked the western nations retaliatory actions.
My grandfather was a reporter in the whitehouse at the time. Said FDR, upon hearing the news, stood up and danced a jig (as best he could). He used a wheel chair but could get around without one when he had to. It was understood that the code had been broken and the Japanese diplomats were forced to wait until after the attack had taken place to ensure the outrage of the American public would be aroused after the ‘surprise’ attack took place.
To say something was to lose your liberty for decades.
If true, American lives were sacrificed to get FDR into the war he so desperately wanted to join.
I suspect our attention is being diverted intentionally , a whole new conspiracy theory.
He had a Sixth grade education - when that still meant something. My Mother showed me letters he wrote in 1940 stating these things. Alas, the letters have been lost to the moving process.
Japan began planning for its Pearl Harbor attack in January 1941.
FDR already knew what was ahead, if he needed America to be wounded in order to enter the war in the Pacific.
Old news. The Dhimmicrats deny it categorically. But I believe it.
My father who fought the island hopping campaign across the pacific also believed it.
The reason the aircraft carriers were not at Pearl is because they were the most important component of 1940s modern warfare. They were made to leave just in time.
A few years before he died, my father told me the following story. Since he had extra tickets to a Redskins game to be played on December 7, the day before he offered them to a naval officer he worked with. His friend turned the offer down, telling my father that he was going to be busy with an attack on that day. My father shrugged it off, not knowing exactly what his friend meant. Later, while at the game, as the time the attack was happening in Hawaii, my father saw military personnel streaming down the aisles at the stadium to fetch away important people.
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as an InfoWarrior type confronts 2 veterans with an opposing view to the war. The cause of their suffering is called into question as we see an example of cognitive dissonance play out. Healing will never take place and courses will never be reversed until we acknowledge and confront the true source of what's hurting us.
Stop fighting your brothers and start exposing your leaders.
Awww ... poor little oppressed Japan was “provoked” ... while raping and murdering its way through Indochina.
I hate politicians from all countries.
Japan was in desperate need of natural resources, particularly petroleum.
Their plan was to seize the Dutch East Indies to secure those things.
The near simultaneous attacks on Pearl, the Philippines, Guam, and Wake were to ensure they could seize the resources in southeast Asia will little or no push-back.
I have no doubt that Roosevelt and all of the military intelligence knew an attack was coming, but the “where” and “when” were unknown to them.
"...A door opened, a hush fell, he looked around the room, his eyes calm, his face impassive “To save time,” he said, I’m going to ask you what questions you have in mind.” His eyes turned to the first correspondent. “What’s your question?” A penetrating query was put; General Marshall went on to the next man-and so around the room, until 60 corespondents had asked challenging questions ranging from major strategy to technical details of the war on a dozen fronts.
General Marshall looked off into space for perhaps 30 seconds. Then he began. For nearly 40 minutes he spoke. His talk was a smooth, connected, brilliantly clear narrative that encompassed the war. And this narrative, smooth enough to be a chapter in a book, included a complete answer to every question we had asked.
But what astounded us most was this: as he reached the point in his narrative which dwelt upon a specific question, he looked directly at the man who had asked the question!
Afterward I heard many comments from the correspondents. Some said they had just encountered the greatest military mind in history. Others exclaimed over the encyclopedic detail Marshall could remember. All agreed on one thing: “That’s the most brilliant interview I have ever attended in my life.”
The point of this is, on the the morning of December 7, 1941, George Marshall was nowhere to be found. He couldn't be reached. And when he was asked, over time, he gave three completely different accounts of where he was that morning and what he had been doing. Horseback riding in one, breakfast with his wife in another, etc.
How does one square that reality with the anecdote (widely published in the day to show just how remarkable Marshall's memory and intellect was?
Hard to do. I don't know what Roosevelt did or didn't know, but Marshall's hazy recollection of his whereabouts on the morning of December 7, 1941, (as Chief of Staff of the US Army!) on a morning where every American could remember decades later where they were when they found out, makes it difficult to swallow.
Sure, he might have been passed out drunk, he might have been having an affair somewhere, who knows? But it is clear there is something inside that smoke of Marshall's inability to remember where he was, and to have changed his story that often.
The only thing is, we defeated Japan, only to get an even worse enemy in Communist China out of the deal.
Yah but war is the health of the state!
An issue that compounded the matter was that our people had underestimated how good the Japanese were. They saw the Japanese as short-sighted monkey looking incompetents. Pearl Harbor taught them differently.
The Kimmel family has fought long and hard to redress the wrong done to Admiral Kimmel and General Short. But the enduring FDR butt boys of history won’t have it.