Posted on 08/30/2023 10:02:25 AM PDT by Macho MAGA Man
Kamala Harris, Nikki Haley, and Vivek Ramaswamy are not eligible to serve as president of the United States. Nor are Marco Rubio and Ted Cruz. Why? They are not “natural born citizens,” which is one of the presidential requirements outlined in the U.S. Constitution. Making that claim, of course, immediately prompts a response of, “Of course they are natural born citizens! What are you, a racist?” But those who are eager to ridicule and condemn such a statement of ineligibility are merely demonstrating their ignorance of the term natural born citizen. What is important, however, is not what television pundits (or “pundints,” as they often incorrectly refer to themselves) believe the term means, but what the Founding Fathers understood the term to mean when they decreed the following:
“No Person except a natural born Citizen, or a Citizen of the United States, at the time of the Adoption of this Constitution, shall be eligible to the Office of President; neither shall any Person be eligible to that Office who shall not have attained to the Age of thirty five Years, and been fourteen Years a Resident within the United States.”
Probably close to 100 percent of Americans alive today believe the term natural born citizen simply means born in the United States of America. But that is not what the term meant to the authors of the U.S. Constitution.
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Well firstly, what I believe is what the evidence shows me to be true, so I see your point as being what the courts wish to impose, and what is the truth are not necessarily the same thing.
This view is consistent with my observation of the courts on other matters as well.
Yes, the Courts impose their will, even if it is based on stupid reasoning, ignorance, or downright falsehood.
But I see this as a distinctly different thing from the truth.
They put their own personal social status above their concern for the law.
They were terrified of being responsible for declaring a black candidate ineligible, and they just weren't going to do it, the law be damned.
Did anyone bring any lawsuits regarding Obama being a natural born citizen?
I agree with this.
...because they are all eligible...
I disagree with that.
I have my doubts that Obama was eligible to be POTUS, there was never any concrete evidence to prove him ineligible.
You've got it backwards. Given that *THIS GUY* went around telling everyone for years that he was born in Kenya, it should be *HIS* responsibility to prove he was actually an American.
The burden of proof should have been on him, not the other way around.
And he didn't prove it.
This is true.
I gave up on the Obama situation because it was a waste of time and took away from the real issues that Obama was ramming thru that is destroying the country.
There is no serious major figure arguing that any of them are ineligible, it’s partisans that hate all of them and look for issues to prove their point.
In my mind they are all eligible and not matter what I think will change that, fight them on real issues not some made up issue like their citizenship.
But they weren't citizens when they were born, were they?
So what do you call it when congress passes a law to make a bunch of non-citizens into "citizens"?
Congress only has the power of naturalization. It doesn't have the power of God. Congress can only adopt. It can't birth.
I’m not even sure that being natural born is any kind of a safeguard the Framers intended it to be anymore. Look at how many natural born scumbags we’re infested with these days.
Some Freepers have very strong opinions about all of this.
But these are really academic discussions. Realistically this issue will never be addressed either by legislation, or a court ruling.
We must look to the probable intent of the framers when they made the NBC provision a requirement for POTUS eligibility.
I believe that intention was to minimize the likelihood of foreign influence upon the office of the presidency, particularly from a father owing allegiance to a foreign sovereign. That is why the ONLY constitutional requirement to which it applies is the office of POTUS. It has NO RELEVANCE to any other constitutional provision. NOT being an NBC does NOT make one a lesser citizen then one who is.
The framers never intended it to be an absolute guarantee of loyalty. Biden is an NBC. He meets all 3 of the constitutional requirements to be POTUS, to include receiving the requisite electoral votes. I cannot recall a more anti-American and anti-constitutional POTUS ever, notwithstanding Obama, or Woodrow Wilson.
Congress cannot birth. interesting to think about
I don't understand it that way. Brainwashed people can realize they have been fed wrong or misleading information and thereby throw off their brainwashing.
I concede on every point you made following that. But I find the accusation of being brainwashed to be disrespectful especially when I admitted at the outset that I might be way off.
I apologize for any perceived disrespect. I tend to get overzealous on this topic because this is the topic that actually led me to join Free Republic, which was about the only place on the internet that would allow discussion of this topic.
I've learned a lot more since i've been here than I knew before I joined, and I appreciate all the people who have researched this issue and shared what they have found.
Rxsid, Las Vegas Ron, Mamma Texan, and Ray76 come to mind.
Thanks for the input.
You are welcome.
Some Freepers do have strong opinions on this issue as I’ve said, it’s a waste of time, I try not to worry about things that ultimately lead nowhere.
What’s true about a lot of people is they get caught up looking at the shiny object that distracts them from much more important things.
In Obama’s case I think he purposefully played up the issue to make his opponents look like conspiracy theorists who were crazy so the real crazy stuff he was doing went undetected and when those same people tried to bring up real issues, they got ignored because they were labeled birthers.
My recollection is that they did, but they were all dismissed on grounds of "standing", or some other bullsh*t procedural grounds.
Nobody looked at evidence. They don't care about evidence. You only have to look at the numerous people exonerated by the "innocence project" to realize our court systems are badly run, and don't really care about evidence.
If we were a nation of laws the Constitution would be upheld.
Unfortunately...
It was only a waste of time because no authority could be confronted with the evidence and be forced to address the issue. At the time, nobody knew how unwilling our legal system was to touch the issue.
We have since found out our legal system also won't touch the voting fraud issue.
Our legal system is pretty much garbage, isn't it? It's run by arrogant @$$holes who do not have to follow the law or answer to the people. It is ripe for a reckoning.
There is no serious major figure arguing that any of them are ineligible, it’s partisans that hate all of them and look for issues to prove their point.
This is true, and this issue will go nowhere in the larger scope of the country.
In my mind they are all eligible and not matter what I think will change that, fight them on real issues not some made up issue like their citizenship.
Some people are sticklers for what the law was, and other people don't care if it is violated.
I just point out that had it been enforced, we wouldn't have had that stupid narcissistic monster screwing up the country for another 8 years. Or his stupid VP for this most recent term.
Oh, and what we were saying back in 2008 turned out to be true. Obama is homosexual as a three dollar bill, and the evidence has recently emerged to prove this.
We are more woke to reality than most who believe not having to be naturalized at birth (birthright citizenship) somehow makes you an Art. II, §1, cl. 5 natural-born citizen.
Yes, Obama managed to ignore this provision in the Constitution, but he did so at this nation’s peril. If we abandon the natural born citizenship clause now, it will be exploited by others who come after these candidates who may not share their political convictions, and expose us all to the greatest threat to the Republic the founders and framers of the US Constitution knew well, feared the most, and warned us all against: the loss of our freedoms and liberties not from an external military threat but from political subversion from within our own political system.
When you stop and realize virtually all executive power in this country is held by one person as the commander-in-chief of all of this nation’s armed forces and also take into account the vast increase in speed and destructive firepower modern weapons now have over their 18th Century counterparts, you begin to realize just how important this requirement has become in today’s turbulently shrinking world, and how important it is to apply the narrowest of definitions to the “natural born citizen” requirement rather than standing on the threshold of abandoning it altogether — forever.
There is no absolute, failsafe, clause or provision that will protect the Republic from just such a fate, but if we weaken this provision now that fate will come sooner rather than later, and future generations of Americans will look back at this time and call out our names, giving us the blame.
One of the serious problems going on in Europe in the 18th and 19th centuries was the issue of the leadership being foreign born because or marriages between the monarchies of one state to another.
Queen Victoria was German. She wasn't British. The leadership of Russia, Germany and England were all her grandchildren when WWI broke out. One English noblemen said that it was too bad queen Victoria wasn't alive when WWI happened, she would have called up all of her grandchildren and told them to "stop it."
It was this division of loyalty that the founders were very concerned about, and look what a mess it made of Europe.
Maybe instead of worrying about where Obama was born, the Republicans could have nominated someone other than McCain and Romney to run against him, for a skilled politician like Obama that was like a layup for him over those two clowns.
I still say, there wasn’t and still isn’t any credible evidence that Obama was born outside the USA.
Where he was born wasn’t the issue it was how he hated the country and was skilled enough as a politician to hide it from the public and set up a system that continues to this day tearing the country apart.
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