Posted on 02/21/2023 8:32:15 AM PST by shadowlands1960
Then I misunderstood you earlier. And I do not think we have been fomenting WWIII except accidentally, which is to say by weakness and by our elite’s incompetent conduct of war and corrupt control of our economy, allowing China to rape it for 25 years.
It’s beyond me why some on this forum are supporting Biden’s globalist interventionist policies, especially considering that we are now essentially bankrupt with over $31 trillion in debt. I mean we spent 20 years in Afghanistan and what do we have to show for it? Now the CIA/globalists want to start an even bigger war, one against a nuclear power this time. Corrupt politicians, billionaire globalists and the military/industrial complex are the only ones benefitting from these endless wars, and they are bankrupting us in the process.
The people who are pushing for war seem to have ulterior motives that are NOT in the interests of the American people. The financial globalist elites like Soros who have designs on Ukrainian assets are the only ones who benefit. Soros and his ilk want the little people to fight for their interests, our entire foreign policy has become corrupted by the influence of these people.
https://thenewamerican.com/george-soros-s-giant-globalist-footprint-in-ukraine-s-turmoil/
NATO was an anti USSR alliance and should have ended with the USSR. Our footprint should have gone to zero in Europe. I don’t give a rat’s caboose about Europe. They got along fine without us for centuries and can go back to settling their own problems. I posit that we should not continue to be the World Police while our country crumbles. As for chuckling about the grift, I am dead certain it is going on at an accelerated pace because of the billions of borrowed dollars we are dumping into Ukraine. Ukrainian corruption was already very bad before that infusion of cash. If that makes you chuckle, the whole Ukraine/FTX/uniparty money laundering operation for the 2022 midterms must have you rolling.
And having forces forward deployed means we fight on someone else's territory, not our own.
My point about corruption is that the real problem is in DC, not Ukraine.
We should stop squabbling about Ukraine and figure out how to get rid of the current regime, which seems to have succeeded in cementing itself permanently into power. Any suggestions?
1.) But...but... but, Russia invaded Ukraine!!!
Jens Stoltenberg effectively ended the Biden administration saying Russia started this:
He Did It Again – General Secretary [NATO Secretary General Jens Stoltenberg] Admits NATO Has Been at War Against Russia in Ukraine Since 2014
2/18/2023
2/2.) The Nuland call leak, the Color Revolution in Ukraine, and news outlets reporting on the Obama administration supporting a coup in Ukraine might cause some people to think if some in the U.S. don’t like an election they’ll just support a coup, so what did Russia think? What do other countries think who are being pulled into China and Russia’s spheres of influence by Dems like Obama and Biden? Did they think they were next fir a coup? Do they think Obama, Biden, Bush, whomever really believe in “sovereignty”?
3.) Some argue that eastern Europeans have been desperate to get in to NATO, but they don’t answer if NATO took advantage of them, don’t answer should NATO have done this, nor answer what I believe is George HW Bush saying that NATO had no intention of honoring not moving east towards Russia when James Baker and others were meeting with their Russian counterparts during Berlin reunification talks.
4.) Pointing these things out is followed by neocons/neolibs immediately attacking, deflecting to take attention off of the Obama and Biden administratiins, you get called a Putin supporter, the same as being called a Saddam supporter for being opposed to the war in Iraq.
After eight years of this civil war, Russia began defending the people who preferred close relations with Russia and rejected the western influence.
Obviously, Russia escalated the war by attacking Ukraine, but this was hardly a sudden move, and there was a lot of meddling going on by the US.
In fact, early on there was a negotiated agreement between the parties; they were ready to sign. Then Joe 'the Grinch' Bitem and his administration stepped in and said 'NO!" The blood of thousands is now on their hands.
Truth be told, Russia has had access to the Crimea for centuries. In this modern world Russia, as a world power, MUST have access to the Crimea. It is their only warm water port to the world's oceans. Bitem has dedicated his flawed later life to prohibiting Russia from ever regaining access to Crimea.
Bitem has said that 'we' {🤯} will stick with Ukraine until the end. With China now proposing to enter the fray by supplying armament to Putin, "the end" may well be a nuclear world war. Russia can never surrender Crimea and Yalta to foreign control without port and shipping privileges.
As Donald Trump has said, negotiation CAN bring about a solution - not one that makes both sides happy but one that excludes Joe 'the Grinch' Bitem from dictating a resolution or precipitating a massively destructive global war.
"Joe Bitem has never once been right on foreign policy."
There was no fighting by anyone, except for Yanukovych attacking Maidan protestors, until Putin sent arms and forces into the east. The US supported Yanukovych’s removal, but there is no way the US could have gotten tens of thousands of protestors to risk their lives at Maidan. The push to get rid of Yanukovych came from the Ukrainians themselves. Russia sent arms and troops into Ukraine in 2014, there was no “civil war.”
Then you had people like John McCain, Chris Murphy, and Asst Sec State Victoria Nuland working with and supporting the Neo-Nazi Svoboda and other protest groups. The US even hand-picked the new Prime Minister after the Maidan revolution.
The fighting in Donbas started soon afterward.
Would that Americans now were as willing to get rid of the detestable regime here as Ukrainians were to get rid of Yanukovych.
It’s beyond me why some on this forum are supporting Biden’s globalist interventionist policies,
The paid propagandists are permitted free reign here for reasons that are unclear other tham this forum is now so small and financially compromised that a few ‘donors’ are of vital interest to keeping FR afloat. Fr is a shell of what it was before Carl Rove developed a dollar driven program to purge the many anti-Rove/Bush posters here after the 2006 mid terms. George W Bush publickly humilated Rove for the loss of the House. The large and very robust base here had constantly attacked Rove as running a loser campaign, FR was also a significant voice in frustrating the ‘Bush-Rove comprehensive immigration package’ and the attempt by Gulf Arabs to grab Long Beach Navy Shipyard. Rove, through third and forth habnd operators managed to leverage financial and other muscle so that most of the strongest voices against the K Street Republicans got expelled or endured so much harassment they left this forum. After Obama was elected FR came close to financial co;;apse due to the shrinkage of posters. It has never recovered and remains a weak version of its past. It’s owner’s deep decline in health and the day to day operation by people who consider FR to be just a news stand the family owns mean that there is no real interest in what the forum supposedly represents. Many of the K Street posters have usurped inactive accounts from this period. Others are just false flag operators and a number are posters from foreign countries. The latter should not be tolerated but it is. In effect FR’s current management see it as just a clickbait operation and welcome anyone who can boost the clicks.
You enjoy having your forum prostituted?
Leaving Europe would be the best thing to happen to the US since we got foolishly involved there in 1917. It’s none of our business what happens there. My point about corruption is that it is much easier to grift overseas. There isn’t much accountability in a combat zone generally speaking. If we weren’t involved in wars of choice all over the planet there wouldn’t be a need for forward bases and there wouldn’t be so much money flowing around to steal. Every war we have been involved in since the Cold War was a war we didn’t have to fight, a war of choice. We didn’t need to fight any of them and they all followed the same basic script. We blow in, usually on a lie, we kill a bunch of people, a few grifters get very rich and we leave with the place in worse shape than it was when we came in, our country is poorer and all sides hate us. We should probably stop doing that but the grifters want to keep that game going so here we are, starting WW3 now and doing the same thing yet again. Sweet, huh?
I miss the chapter days and the FReeps, rallies and counterprotests we did. I participated in several with the Houston FR Chapter. Good times.
“he’s trolling for primary votes amongst the Chomskyite wing of the GOP base.”
LMAO..that’s is a good description of our Liberaltarian friends. Chomskyite’s LOL. Mark my word, they do not think of themselves as part of the Conservative base or Republican base. They are Appeasing trolls, and when this Euro war is over they will move on to supporting China and not putting US military in the Pacific. It’s what they do.
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