Posted on 01/24/2023 1:50:07 AM PST by Sunsong
"Why does the world need a Ukrainian victory?
1. To halt atrocity. Russia's occupation is genocidal. Wherever the Ukrainians recover territory, they save lives, and re-establish the principle that people have a right not to be tortured, deported, and murdered.
2. To preserve the international legal order. Its basis is that one country may not invade another and annex its territory, as Russia seeks to do. Russia's war of aggression is obviously illegal, but the legal order does not defend itself.
3. To end an era of empire. This could be the last war fought on the colonial logic that another state and people do not exist. But this turning point is reached only if Russia loses.
4. To defend the peace project of the European Union. Russia's war is not directed only against Ukraine, but against the larger idea that European states can peacefully cooperate. If empire prevails, integration fails.
5. To give the rule of law a chance in Russia. So long as Russia fights imperial wars, it is trapped in repressive domestic politics. Coming generations of Russians could live better and freer lives, but only if Russia loses this war.
6. To weaken the prestige of tyrants. In this century, the trend has been towards authoritarianism, with Putinism as a force and a model. Its defeat by a democracy reverses that trend. Fascism is about force, and is discredited by defeat.
7. To remind us that democracy is the better system. Ukrainians have internalized the idea that they choose their own leaders. In taking risks to protect their democracy, they remind us that we all must act to protect ours..."
(Excerpt) Read more at snyder.substack.com ...
Indispensable as the European ATM!!
Exactly — the Muscowites still dream of empire.
I can see Xi Jinping waiting for Russia to collapse - the Chinese have long memories and remember how
1. The Xiongnu confederation to the north of China threatened the Han dynasty but collapsed after some decades and China prevailed
2. The Uyghurs threatened Tang China, then collapsed
3. The Jurchen Jin threatened China, then collapsed
4. The Mongols threatened China, then collapsed
5. The Jurchen Manchu threatened China, then collapsed.
The Chinese KNOW that these steppe confederations collapse and China prevails (that’s what they think) - they are just waiting for the latest steppe confederation - Muscowy - to collapse.
Remember that Russia is the last country that “humiliated China during the century of humiliation”, and STILL keeps what they see as “Chinese” territory around Vladivostok.
No, more than that.
The USA is showing small European countries that the USA can be relied upon, that its soft power should not be mistaken for weakness.
“The USA is showing small European countries that the USA can be relied upon, that its soft power should not be mistaken for weakness.”
Yes and that goodness is more powerful than evil
Go read Warriors of the Steppe
https://www.amazon.com/Warriors-Steppe-Military-History-D/dp/0306810654
Here’s a link. They were corrupt:
We need a victory in Ukraine because the BRICS with all their basic resources are about to slip between the sheets with China.
We need a victory in Ukraine or write off NATO as a coherent, or at least semi-coherent, international force. Despite murmurings on these threads, NATO is still vital to America's national security.
No!
Xiden supports the Ukraine. Xiden is worse than Putin ever even wanted to be. If Xiden supports them I am against them.
Ukraine was Xiden’s personal money laundering machine. Ukraine is evil.
I don’t support Russia, but Ukraine is worse!
QUIT SUPPORTING XIDEN!
I understand it. But all of the above resos wouldn’t be imminent if “we” didn’t provoke it to start with.
Resos = risks.
Apparently “the world needs a Ukrainian victory” because the liars that run our information bureau say so.
Ukraine bought protection from Biden Inc.; it included media coverage.
There are no clean hands in this conflict.
To hell with both sides.
Stop spending my $.
This country used to have certain values. When I read the comments regarding Ukraine, I realize those values are gone.
If you’re so caring - why don’t you saddle up and go fight?’
I don’t care about the Ukes or the Russians one way or another.
They’ve been killing each other for centuries.
There is no political or military community called “the world”.
We have an interest in Europe. That’s why we joined NATO. Europe is also helping Ukraine:
“Ukraine expects to get Leopard 2 tanks from 12 countries: Senior official”
Total BS. We are the ones bullying and igniting proxy wars.
You silly Zeepers say one minute how weak, pathetic and backwoods Russia is and that Ukraine is winning. Next minute you try to schmooze us into believing Russia is going to take over the whole world if Ukraine doesn’t win. Obviously you will buy the NWO shuck and jive But don’t peddle it here. We are the ones that are far away from our own territory and messing in other countries business.
You send your paycheck to those fools. Most people here have bills to pay.
To defend the peace project of the European Union. Russia's war is not directed only against Ukraine, but against the larger idea that European states can peacefully cooperate. If empire prevails, integration fails.
Uh huh. In other words russia stands in the way of the expansion of a larger European empire. Ask the Dutch farmers about peaceful cooperation.
In this century, the trend has been towards authoritarianism, with Putinism as a force and a model.
In this century, the trend has been towards authoritarianism, with WEF/china as a force and a model.
The russians are scum, no doubt. No different than the Ukes. There is no upside for American involvement in the slavic siblicide.
Casualties, square miles, propaganda.
The only number that matters is how many billions did it cost the USA, and how much went into the pockets of congressional idiots like Lindsey Graham.
How much money did you get Lindsey?
Okay virtue boy.
Kind of makes sense since it is actually being done. Such noble values. Just like Satan ordered.
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