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First Details of Donald Trump Criminal Referrals Show the Abject Idiocy of the January 6th Committee
Red State ^ | 12/18/2022 | Bonchie

Posted on 12/18/2022 6:42:20 PM PST by SeekAndFind

The January 6th committee is apparently determined to end things with the equivalent of stripping naked and running through the bear enclosure at the zoo. Despite finding essentially no evidence to support their chief assertions, which we’ll get to momentarily, criminal referrals are on the way.

Now, we are getting the first details of what they will include. According to multiple outlets, citing sources close to the committee, three referrals will be made targeting Donald Trump.

Multiple outlets reported on Friday that the committee will vote to recommend the Justice Department pursue criminal charges against Trump for insurrection, obstructing an official proceeding of Congress and conspiracy to defraud the United States.

A spokesperson for the select committee declined to comment when reached by The Hill.

The committee is working to wrap up its probe and release its findings before the end of this year, when Republicans are slated to take control of the House and dissolve the panel.

I’m speaking as if the vote is a forgone conclusion because we all know it’s a foregone conclusion. There is no way a majority of the committee votes not to make these referrals. All the members, from Liz Cheney to Adam Schiff, have spent the last year building to this moment, and there is no scenario where they bow out and concede that Trump didn’t commit any crimes.

As to the details, the three referrals will be for insurrection, obstructing an official proceeding of Congress, and conspiracy to defraud the United States. Let’s talk about that.

Trump did not commit insurrection. There is no actual legal argument for that. It’s a purely political attack that lacks any and all evidence. At no point did Trump encourage people to become violent at the Capitol Building. At no point did he tell people to enter the Capitol Building. At no point did he incite anybody to do those things. To suggest that would be to broaden out the definition of incitement into absurdity and make every politician liable for every single thing a random person does in response to political statements.

As to the charge that he obstructed an official proceeding (i.e. the certification of the election), that is again farcical. Trump was not at the Capitol that day. He did not order people to obstruct the actions of congress by proxy either. Batting around the idea of Mike Pence sending certification back to the states and not doing it is not obstruction of an official proceeding. Again, we are talking about broadening the definitions of crimes out to levels that make the statutes completely malleable. That’s not justice, no matter what one thinks of Trump.

Then there’s the idea that Trump was conspiring to defraud the United States. This is the only charge that might have some meat on the bone, and not coincidentally, it appears to be the only one the DOJ is really looking into (hence the recent subpoenas of state election officials). In short, Trump associates were organizing with state officials to produce so-called “alternate slates of electors.” The problem is that nothing ever materialized, and the plan was only meant to be used if states voted to de-certify and change the results. Pence put a stop to that from his position of overseeing certification. The entire scheme was a pipedream, but was it a conspiracy to commit fraud? Again, that’s a big stretch.

But as I’ve said before, I’m not sure all the facts and logic in the world matter here. Trump is going to be indicted. It’s just a matter of timing. The January 6th committee was simply meant to may political hay for the mid-terms while providing a hook for the DOJ. And while the entire thing is idiotic and spits on the rule of law, it may well accomplish its mission.



TOPICS: Government; Politics; Society
KEYWORDS: congress; deminsurgency; jan6; january6; pelosiscoup; trump
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1 posted on 12/18/2022 6:42:21 PM PST by SeekAndFind
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To: SeekAndFind

“And while the entire thing is idiotic and spits on the rule of law, it may well accomplish its mission”.

Is the mission to indict DJT?

If so, it will go nowhere.


2 posted on 12/18/2022 7:22:10 PM PST by laplata (They want each crisis to take the greatest toll possible.)
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3 posted on 12/18/2022 7:34:14 PM PST by kiryandil (put yer vote in the box, chump. HARHARHARHAR)
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To: SeekAndFind

Oh but we can be sure the Garland DOJ will do a fair and impartial investigation.


4 posted on 12/18/2022 7:35:48 PM PST by colorado tanker
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To: colorado tanker

If the DoJ actually does indict him for something maybe he can sue them and put a few million bucks in his campaign war chest.


5 posted on 12/18/2022 7:44:15 PM PST by TigersEye (The Democrat Party is criminal, unAmerican and illegitimate )
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To: TigersEye

The trial would be in Washington. Trump’s chances of winning would be very low.


6 posted on 12/18/2022 7:53:19 PM PST by colorado tanker
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To: colorado tanker

“Washington” needs to be broken up, like any monopoly.

“Washington” doesn’t like that idea.


7 posted on 12/18/2022 7:58:25 PM PST by JennysCool ("It's easier to fool people than to convince them that they have been fooled." - Mark Twain)
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To: colorado tanker

“The trial would be in Washington. Trump’s chances of winning would be very low.”

Plus the DOJ and the liberal courts will drag out the trial, and the appeals to do maximum damage through the campaign season leading up to the 2024 election. The Supreme Court will likely refuse a direct appeal by Trump, resulting in two trials while campaigning. The first in the DC district federal court and the second in the appeals court. If these are in DC Trump will likely lose both trials. The the Supreme Court which may refuse the case.

The other potential issue may be the RNC. If Trump is convicted in the DC federal district court, even if he appeals the RINOS may cause the RNC to rule no one under indictment, or convicted of a felony, can be the party nominee. Effectively Trump could not be the party candidate even if he won enough delegates in the primaries.

We live in interesting times.


8 posted on 12/18/2022 8:10:52 PM PST by Soul of the South (The past is gone and cannot be changed. Tomorrow can be a better day if we work o)
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To: SeekAndFind

I now have an unwanted mental image involving Liz Cheney and a bear...


9 posted on 12/18/2022 8:28:37 PM PST by bigbob (z)
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To: Taxman

Ping


10 posted on 12/18/2022 8:33:19 PM PST by Taxman (SAVE AMERICA! VOTE REPUBLICAN IN 2023 AND 2024!)
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To: bigbob

Somebody call PETA.


11 posted on 12/18/2022 9:04:23 PM PST by logi_cal869 (-cynicus the "concern troll" a/o 10/03/2018 /!i!! &@$%&*(@ -)
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To: SeekAndFind

Democrats are setting Trump up... to win again.


12 posted on 12/18/2022 9:05:59 PM PST by Berlin_Freeper
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To: SeekAndFind

After observing the workings of the Jan 6 committee, I was surprised that I did not hear of mass executions and “Nacht und Nebel” disappearances and other violations of human rights. Only one female visitor was outright murdered. Perhaps I should not be so critical about the reaction Congress displayed over the Jan 6 visit of the public to the Capitol grounds. The events of the 50’s in Eastern Europe and communist takeover are still too fresh in my mind and I have learned that whatever can happen in last century Europe can happen here because bureaucrats are all driven by one common factor — the preservation/enhancement of their position. The entire Jan 6 committee’s course of action was reminiscent of a totalitarian modus operandi.


13 posted on 12/18/2022 9:33:04 PM PST by 353FMG (Secretly practicing my Putin swagger..)
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To: SeekAndFind
A DC court would convict any Republican for anything despite any lack of evidence, but when Trump goes to trial the jury pool would gleefully crawl naked over broken glass for the opportunity to convict him, and any DC Judge will give him the maximum sentence allowed.

Trump will be incarcerated before 2024, too many powerful Republicans hate him as much as they hate us.

14 posted on 12/18/2022 10:16:36 PM PST by SecondAmendment (This just proves my latest theory ... LEFTISTS RUIN EVERYTHING !!!)
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To: SeekAndFind

The DOJ might pursue this and ask DJT for a plea deal: if DJT agrees never to run for President, the DOJ will drop charges.


15 posted on 12/18/2022 10:56:14 PM PST by Brandonmark (November 2024 cannot come soon enough!)
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To: kiryandil

That’s perfect.


16 posted on 12/18/2022 10:57:36 PM PST by laplata (They want each crisis to take the greatest toll possible.)
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To: SeekAndFind
The Tweets that were ordered removed by The United States Government: These were the tweets that the United States Government found offensive and made them remove Trump .
17 posted on 12/18/2022 11:40:16 PM PST by NoLibZone (Ruling class noticed our total lack of pushback for how the election & Covid was handled.)
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To: SeekAndFind

We need a good GOP congressional committee to investigate the corrupt Stalinist Jan. 6th Committee of traitors, fools, dupes and psychopaths.


18 posted on 12/19/2022 1:34:43 AM PST by MadMax, the Grinning Reaper (Figures )
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To: kiryandil

Bkmk


19 posted on 12/19/2022 9:25:20 AM PST by sauropod (Fascists also buy Comcast cable packages" - Olby - Wanna buy mine?)
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To: colorado tanker

This is really the most disturbing thing about this whole effect on America. Even juries have become political and facts no longer matter.


20 posted on 12/19/2022 9:33:39 AM PST by Repealthe17thAmendment
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