How do climate doomsayers explain the current state of Arctic ice?

American Thinker ^ | 8/30/2022 | Vijay Jayaraj

[whyilovetexas111]

With ice coverage for July and August remaining above the ten-year average of 2010–20, the extent of summer sea ice in the Arctic has surprised experts who once predicted that such levels would be impossible.

This stands in stark contrast to the dominant climate narrative that predicts the dwindling of summer ice in the Arctic. Some politicians had even claimed that parts of the Arctic would be ice-free by now.

With the seasonal Arctic melt technically over, it is fair to conclude that the extent of ice in the summer of 2022 has been greater than the ten-year average. On most days in July and August, sea ice levels were above the ten-year average and significantly more than the previous few years.

[CodeToad]

“The warming is slight, about 1/2 degree, according WUWT...”

“TECHNICALLY, there has never been a project to determine whether the GLOBE is heating.”

You contradict yourself with those two statements.

[logi_cal869]

Nope.

After the IPCC scandal and Michael Mann refusing to submit his data for the litigation he brought against both Dr. Tim Ball & the National Review, there was 100% no question this would occur.

The only question was whether it would start showing evidence of the cycle before we were bankrupted.

That jury is still out to lunch re public policies. /s

[CodeToad]

When I was finishing a PhD in 1990, the grant money was drying up on the Ozone Hole. Global Warming was the new grant money source.

Gee, we banned CFCs and did all kinds of stupid things to close the Ozone Hole. It was the nightly news article, every single night. Once the liberals banned CFCs the story went away. Guess what, that hole is there and as big as ever.

[dangus]

>> “The warming is slight, about 1/2 degree, according WUWT...”

>> “TECHNICALLY, there has never been a project to determine whether the GLOBE is heating.”

>> You contradict yourself with those two statements.

No, I presume my readers aren’t idiots and can understand various distinctions. I explained how “global warming” refers to sea-level temperatures, and then I noted the fact that the term, “global” is therefore misleading, but there has been detected a slight increase the diameter of the Earth, which is what you would expect to find if global warming were occurring.

[grey_whiskers]

Ice core measurements say 2023 winter is the start of the next ice age.

Please explain; I thought ice core measurements looked *back* in time...?

[CodeToad]

Cycles. Cycles are great predictions of future events.

[CodeToad]

I don’t think you know what you are saying.

“Warming” is “the GLOBE is heating.”

You’re a millennial, aren’t you? Your Logic is twisted and grotesque.

[GOPJ]

You’re right - one lame excuse after another - excuses that take years to disprove. Then when disprove these people just make up a new story.

Why and How is this happening?

The same DC folks who give you ‘inflation control bills’ that spend billions (adding to inflation) ALSO hand out grants to ‘scientists’... you know, the types of scientists’ who can’t do math and call themselves ‘ecologists’? The ones who flunked out of their Education Majors?

[lizma2]

It started in the 60’s with “THE ICE AGE IS COMING!!!”

The first Earth Day was in 1970.

[reformedliberal]

Guess what, that hole is there and as big as ever.
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The ozone hole was featured in National Geographic(might even have been on the cover. IDK) in 1957 as part of their Geophysical Year edition.

I believe it is a natural phenomena? Not my area of knowledge, so serious question.

[dfwgator]

The ice age is coming, the sun’s zoomin’ in
Meltdown expected, the wheat is growin’ thin
Engines stop running, but I have no fear
Cause London is drownin’, I, live by the river

[Tell It Right]

"Ice core measurements say 2023 winter is the start of the next ice age."

Ummm...no. Although I agree with meteorologist Dr. Roy Spencer at Huntsville, AL (whom Rush used to refer to as "the official meteorologist of the EIB Network") that the earth has been slightly cooling the past 15 or 20 years. I don't think it's a sign that the Modern Warm Period is over and that a new ice age is beginning. I think the little bit of cooling we're experiencing is a tiny hiccup in a centuries long warming period --- much like our warming period is short relative to the overall glacial cooling we've been doing since the Holocene Epoch (roughly 7,500 years ago).

Here's my evidence against the Warmageddonists: Look at the graph below near 8 Thousands of Years Before Present. That's the warmest the planet has been in 10's of thousands of years. In recorded history (I study history a lot particularly during the 1,500 years the Bible was written), we've have nothing like the Climatic Optimum. See the bump about halfway between 4 and 2 thousands of years BP? That's the Minoan Warm Period (roughly 1600-1100 BC). When God parted the Red Sea with Moses, it was a lot warmer than it is now, but not nearly as warm as the Climate Optimum 4 thousand years before that. And the next warm period (Roman Warm Period during the time of Christ) didn't get as warm as the Minoan Warm Period. Then the Medieval Warm Period (AD 900-1300) didn't get as warm as that. Basically, the warm periods are on an overall trend to keep being lower than the prior ones (though they're not sequentially lower).

Now about why I think the Modern Warm Period is far from over: Well. It's been going on only 150 to 200 years. The prior warm periods were 4 to 6 centuries long -- suggesting we have 2 to 4 centuries left in this one. Plus, we have precedent of these warm periods and cooling periods having brief hiccups were temps briefly reverse. Look at the graph zooming in on the Little Ice Age. Observe that at around AD 1500 there was a 50 year period where temps warmed some. I bet people living then were relieved and thought the horrible cooling period was over and a new warm period was beginning. Nope. The Little Ice Age was just getting started and was about to become much worse. To the tune of the Thames River in the UK freezing over every winter and the people holding festivals on it (I guess that part of history is kind of neat). But there were also people freezing to death in modern day Germany -- in August. Not to mention what always happens during cooling period: lower crop yields, rain patterns harder to predict, and deaths by plague going up bigly.

So just like warmageddonists are wrong to talk like the Modern Warm Period is something new under the sun and is a sign that we're all about to burn up, it's probably wrong to overstate the small cooling we've done the past 15 or so years and say the Modern Warm Period is over.

[dangus]

Are you completely incapable of understanding that we can know one part is heating and not know that a larger system is not? The atmosphere which we CAN measure is one one-millionth the total of the Earth. (It IS of course, the part likely to be affected by global warming.)

[abb]

Unexpected!!!

[dangus]

>> The ozone hole was featured in National Geographic(might even have been on the cover. IDK) in 1957 as part of their Geophysical Year edition.

>> I believe it is a natural phenomena? Not my area of knowledge, so serious question. <<

Natural Ozone depletion does occur, at fantastically low temperatures. Ironically global warming would help prevent ozone depletion, but there is no warming over most of Antarctica, only the edges. The production of ozone-depleting chemicals has been greatly reduced, but that doesn’t make them disappear from the environment. So the good news is that it isn’t getting worse.

Of course, the other good news is that penguins don’t need sunscreen and they’re just about the only creatures affected by the ozone hole.

[itsahoot]

How do climate doomsayers explain the current state of Arctic ice?

They don't have to explain it, they just ignore it.

[itsahoot]

I can't wrap my head around that!

Neither can anyone else, even if they say they can.

[entropy12]

How do “man made climate change” explain end of last ice age and million ice ages before that? Who caused the global warming to melt 4 mile high ice glaciers sitting on top of midwest USA?

[boxlunch]

Youd think a colder winter + horribly high energy costs would slap some sense into the global warming lemmings, but who knows if it really will.