[NFHale]

Russia is not the threat. Democrats are the threat. Lather, rinse, repeat…

[kiryandil]

I also underestimated the lingering resentment against the West among the majority of largely older Russians who get all their news from Kremlin-controlled media.

As Beevor power-chugs the Liz Truss propaganda moonshine.

[sport]

Amen to that. The Russians did not lock me down. Threaten to lock me up if I did not take the Kickapoo Joy Juice Nor did they put the restaurant where I ate out of business. It was all the the Choice of the People. A/K/A, the Democrats.

[wardaddy]

It's lost on the war crowd here......”I hate Russia that's good enough”

I mean if you drank daily Mail or euromaiden press or any lefty or neocon or GOPe org spew hell I'd believe it too

Man strange alliance between half this forum and their usual foes....

[saintgermaine]

More often than not here are two sides to every story.

‘Russia Started the War’ and Other Fallacies

Mike Whitney
The Unz Review
2022-05-10 00:00:00

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On Monday, Putin delivered the annual “Victory Day” speech celebrating Russia’s victory over Nazi Germany in 1945. The Russian president made none of the hyperbolic pronouncements the media had predicted but, instead, gave a brief recap of the events leading up to the war in Ukraine. There was none of the bravado you’d expect from a leader trying to gin up support for the ongoing war. Putin simply reminded the crowd that he had done everything he could to avoid the bloody conflict in which Russia is currently embroiled. Here’s part of what he said:

“Last December we proposed signing a treaty on security guarantees. Russia urged the West to hold an honest dialogue in search for meaningful and compromising solutions, and to take account of each other’s interests. All in vain. NATO countries did not want to heed us, which means they had totally different plans. And we saw it.”

This is an accurate account of what took place in the months preceding the war. Putin tried to avoid a confrontation by repeatedly asking the US to address Russia’s reasonable security concerns. Unfortunately, the Biden administration brushed off Putin’s demands without even providing a response. The US and NATO insist that Ukraine has every right to choose whatever security arrangement it wants.

But that’s clearly not the case. The United States and every nation in NATO have signed treaties (Istanbul in 1999, and Astana in 2010) that stipulate they cannot improve their own security at the expense of others.

[pierrem15]

Russia is not the threat. Democrats are the threat. Lather, rinse, repeat…

No. They're both threats. Russia is particularly a threat when the US has an illegitimate, corrupt and utterly incompetent regime like it has now.

If Trump had remained in office, there would have been no Ukraine war.

[Cronos]

There are multiple threats.

In eastern Europe Putin is the threat.

In tha the USA the Democrats are the threat.

Globally Islam is the threat.