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swedish study shows covid vaccines drop below zero efficacy on spread by about 200 days
Bad Cattitude ^ | 10/28/2021 | el gato malo

Posted on 10/28/2021 11:39:57 AM PDT by Mount Athos

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To: Little Ray

Not all current covid vaccines utilize mRNA.


41 posted on 10/28/2021 12:45:51 PM PDT by steve86 (Prophecies of Maelmhaedhoc O'Morgair (Latin form: Malachy))
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To: Mount Athos

Wow, below zero. A negative affect. Makes things worse. The depopulation theory sounds more plausible every day.


42 posted on 10/28/2021 12:46:45 PM PDT by Pollard (PureBlood)
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To: Mount Athos

Remember “the Record Club”?

We’ll give you 10 albums for 2 cents, if you’ll buy one album a month for 220 years!


43 posted on 10/28/2021 12:47:15 PM PDT by Fitzy_888 ("ownership society")
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To: bray
Beginning to look like the unvaxed are the smart ones.

PureBloods


44 posted on 10/28/2021 12:50:08 PM PDT by Pollard (PureBlood)
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To: Magnum44

Part of the reason the immunity effects are short-lived is because the semi-vaccines stimulate only a partial response from the immune system. Natural immunity involves a much broader immune response. A concern is that vaccinated persons do not seem capable of mounting a proper natural response to infections subsequent to the vaccination; thus they are at a disadvantage to unvaccinated persons.


45 posted on 10/28/2021 12:50:49 PM PDT by steve86 (Prophecies of Maelmhaedhoc O'Morgair (Latin form: Malachy))
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A concern is that vaccinated persons do not seem capable of mounting a proper natural response to infections subsequent to the vaccination; thus they are at a disadvantage to unvaccinated persons.

Lots of contrary arguments regarding your last statement there. The vax supposedly reduces the impact of getting hospitalized from the virus, but you can still get it. Some who did not get the vax have apparently died wishing they did, but many had commodities that already had them compromised. Age and immune system health are factors. Younger people in general not as susceptible. Successful recovery from the actual virus may lead to stronger natural immunity.

So everyone is trying to look at all this and make risk decisions for their own circumstance.

Seems to me if one is in the 'at risk' category, then getting a vax followed, after some vax recovery time, by actually contracting the virus, would be a low risk, high reward strategy. But that is just another guess on my part.

Which vax is best is a whole separate controversy with even more confusing data (or lack of data.)

46 posted on 10/28/2021 1:05:03 PM PDT by Magnum44 (...against all enemies, foreign and domestic...)
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To: steve86

co-morbidities, not commodities


47 posted on 10/28/2021 1:06:23 PM PDT by Magnum44 (...against all enemies, foreign and domestic...)
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To: Little Ray
The mRNA is not being reproduced itself, so eventually the supply runs out ...

I actually find some comfort in that explanation

48 posted on 10/28/2021 1:17:48 PM PDT by Magnum44 (...against all enemies, foreign and domestic...)
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“I just dont have an understanding of why a real vaccine can continue to produce antibodies years later where this one does not. “

The “real” vaccines stimulate a broader immune response, as I stated above, including “T” memory cells and others. So far, the covid vaXXes on the market apparently don’t.


49 posted on 10/28/2021 1:43:56 PM PDT by steve86 (Prophecies of Maelmhaedhoc O'Morgair (Latin form: Malachy))
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To: Mount Athos; Cathi; ransomnote; metmom; grey_whiskers; Fractal Trader; SecAmndmt; ...

Thanks for posting this. This ties in to Alex Berenson’s latest….(h/t Cathi)….

Alex Berenson
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So, yeah, way back in September, the Danes were in the happy vaccine valley and decided to drop all coronavirus restrictions.

Which led to an entirely predictable set of stories (they were identical to the stories written about Israel and Britain in the spring, because the media learns nothing, ever, about the ro).

Yay Denmark! Yay vaccines! Yay sciencey science! Boo red states! Boo mean no good very bad anti-vaxxers!

But virus gonna virus, and vaccine gonna vaccine - or more accurately stop vaccining - and now the Danes have reached the cliff at the end of the happy vaccine valley just in time for the winter ro season.

Which means their case chart looks like so:

Same thing is happening in the rest of north-central Europe, by the way.

The failure of their policy to work as promised has made the Danish public health authorities grumpy (rather than ashamed, which seems like a more natural response, but part of being a public health expert means never having to say you’re sorry, much less admit you’re wrong).

And when the public health authorities get grumpy, we all know what’s next on the horizon. Lockdowns, baby, lockdowns!

Meanwhile, the Danes will probably load up on boosters for the oldsters and (temporarily) suppress the per-case death rate, but make no mistake.

They are likely following Britain to the unhappy vaccine plateau, with a huge number of cases and a Covid death rate that - although lower than the January 2021 peak - remains stubbornly high and a not-insignificant contributor to the overall death rate. (Which itself is rising, for reasons that we don’t know but DEFINITELY has nothing to do with our population-wide experiment with a completely novel biotechnology rushed to market in less than a year.)

What comes after the unhappy vaccine plateau?

Stay tuned.

But no one - and I mean absolutely no one - could have predicted an 80-percent plus adult vaccine rate would not help Denmark achieve herd immunity or even save it from a massive spike in cases.

It was just impossible to forecast.”

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(/s off, for those in Rio Linda)


50 posted on 10/29/2021 7:16:50 AM PDT by Jane Long (What we were told was a “conspiracy theory” in 2020 is now fact. 🙏🏻 Ps 33:12 )
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To: jerod

—> Pfizer did a better marketing job

Likely a better job of lobbying and crony capitalism


51 posted on 10/29/2021 7:27:14 AM PDT by aMorePerfectUnion (Fraud vitiates everything ᡕᠵ᠊ᡃ࡚ࠢ࠘ ⸝່ࠡࠣ᠊߯᠆ࠣ࠘ᡁࠣ࠘᠊᠊ࠢ࠘𐡏⁻ )
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