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This is Nuts, Moderna and Pfizer Intentionally Lost The Clinical Trial Control Group Testing Vaccine Efficacy and Safety
Conservative Treehouse ^ | August 6, 2021 | Sundance

Posted on 08/07/2021 4:43:44 PM PDT by CheshireTheCat

This is not just scientific madness, it appears to be very intentional and purposeful.

The Moderna and Pfizer vaccine tests were conducted, as customary, with a control group; a group within the trial who were given a placebo and not the test vaccine. However, during the trial -and after the untested vaccines were given emergency use authorization- the vaccine companies conducting the trial decided to break protocol and notify the control group they were not vaccinated. Almost all the control group were then given the vaccine.

Purposefully dissolving the placebo group violates the scientific purpose to test whether the vaccine has any efficacy; any actual benefit and/or safety issues. Without a control group there is nothing to compare the vaccinated group against. According to NPR, the doctors lost the control group in the Johnson County Clinicial Trial (Lexena, Kansas) on purpose:

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To: E. Pluribus Unum

The long term effects for one thing.


21 posted on 08/07/2021 5:50:59 PM PDT by TigersEye (Who shot Ashli Babbitt?)
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To: Secret Agent Man

Yes, so am I, but unlike people in a real control group they are not monitoring us in a consistent and methodical way.


22 posted on 08/07/2021 5:53:32 PM PDT by TigersEye (Who shot Ashli Babbitt?)
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To: 2aProtectsTheRest
There was a conscious decision made to provide the control group with vaccines once safety and efficacy was established...

But neither safety nor efficacy has been established. They blew the study because they didn't want the true results to be seen - by anybody.

23 posted on 08/07/2021 5:54:53 PM PDT by meyer (I swear to protect and defend the Constitution against ALL enemies, foreign and domestic!)
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To: TigersEye

They arent monitoring us

Others however, are monitoring us


24 posted on 08/07/2021 5:55:04 PM PDT by Secret Agent Man (Gone Galt; Not Averse to Going Bronson.)
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To: Vendome
How do you hide evidence of vaccine injury?
Eliminate the control group

I've been thinking along those same lines myself. Sometime months or years from now, there could be another epidemic -- Heart trouble, blood clots, autism, infertility, whatever. If there is a control group (unvaccinated people) that is not having these problems, even a low info sheeple moron would make the connection that they trusted gov't and big pharma, and got poisoned

. Some people might end up hanging from lamp posts, even.

But if there's no control group of unvaccinated people, then everyone's sick and they can blame it on climate change or whatever they like and no one's the wiser...

25 posted on 08/07/2021 5:55:09 PM PDT by ZOOKER (Until further notice the /s is implied...)
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To: Secret Agent Man

lol Yeah, but they’re not monitoring our health status.

Nor are they monitoring their own health status or they wouldn’t be monitoring us. :)


26 posted on 08/07/2021 6:00:23 PM PDT by TigersEye (Who shot Ashli Babbitt?)
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To: TigersEye

:)


27 posted on 08/07/2021 6:00:55 PM PDT by Secret Agent Man (Gone Galt; Not Averse to Going Bronson.)
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To: CheshireTheCat

Look under the mattress. My youngest boy hid all kinds of stuff like teacher notes or report cards there.


28 posted on 08/07/2021 6:01:02 PM PDT by dforest (huh)
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To: CheshireTheCat

Sounds like Deep State.


29 posted on 08/07/2021 6:01:39 PM PDT by Starstruck ( Since I'm old I don't whether I'm senile or brilliant. Or happily both.)
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To: CheshireTheCat

The same thing was done with the Polio Control Group and those people were mostly children.

Once the testing surveys are complete, the control groups get the real vaccine if they received a Placebo.

This is not news.


30 posted on 08/07/2021 6:04:01 PM PDT by David Chase
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To: Not A Snowbird
"Which means they have no way of showing whether the shots work or not. We just have to take their word for it?"

The clinical trials are being conducted now, on all the people getting the different experimental drugs injected into themselves.

31 posted on 08/07/2021 6:06:34 PM PDT by mass55th ("Courage is being scared to death, but saddling up anyway." ~~ John Wayne )
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To: wannabegeek

Why you bother us with the truth...

We would rather die sick following the lie, than live well in the truth!

You big bully! /s


32 posted on 08/07/2021 6:39:46 PM PDT by patriotfury ((May the fleas of a thousand camels occupy mo' ham mads tents!) )
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To: wannabegeek

I’ve been saying the same thing. They are going to rebrand Ivermectin. Around 2009 they rebranded the gout drug colchicine. Colchicine has literally been used for at least a thousand years. The FDA, since colchicine was never approved as a drug because it was around before the FDA, gave URL pharmacy a patent for the drug I believe that expires in 2029. They became the only licensed vendor for the drug that has been around for a thousand years. The drug went up over a whopping 2000 percent I guess 1000 percent for every 1000 years the drug has been around. That’s the type of scumbags we are dealing with here.


33 posted on 08/07/2021 6:40:02 PM PDT by Baldwin
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To: 2aProtectsTheRest

There was a conscious decision made to provide the control group with vaccines once safety and efficacy was established.

Safe and effective for all of 6 weeks.

This in *not* the scientific method no matter how you try and twist it.


34 posted on 08/07/2021 6:40:28 PM PDT by Flick Lives (We may or may not have reached herd immunity, but we've definitely achieved herd stupidity.)
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To: 2aProtectsTheRest
All necessary data had been collected already.

Total BS and a bold faced lie.

There is ZERO information on the long term effects of these so-called vaccines. One year is not nearly enough to make any kind of determination of long term safety.

Your statement is a complete lie.

The choices were to sit by and watch members of the control group die one by one needlessly, or vaccinate them.

For a virus that has well over a 99% survival rate for the vast majority of the population? You’re acting like every single unvaxxed person WILL die for sure, no doubt about it. What gross deceit.

35 posted on 08/07/2021 7:03:19 PM PDT by metmom (...fixing our eyes on Jesus, the Author and Perfecter of our faith…..)
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To: CheshireTheCat

If you can’t trust the science to be conducted properly, how can you trust the science’s results?

When in doubt, sit the shot out


36 posted on 08/07/2021 7:09:35 PM PDT by Oscar in Batangas (An Honors Graduate from the Don Rickles School of Personal Verbal Intercourse)
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To: Whenifhow; null and void; aragorn; EnigmaticAnomaly; kalee; Kale; AZ .44 MAG; Baynative; bgill; ...

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37 posted on 08/07/2021 7:14:21 PM PDT by bitt (<img src=' 'width=500>)
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To: CheshireTheCat

https://teamtuckercarlson.com/news/moderna-and-pfizer-lost-the-clinical-trial-control-group-testing-vaccine-efficacy-and-safety/

Moderna and Pfizer Lost The Clinical Trial Control Group Testing Vaccine Efficacy and Safety

This is not just scientific madness, it appears to be very intentional and purposeful.

The Moderna and Pfizer vaccine tests were conducted, as customary, with a control group; a group within the trial who were given a placebo and not the test vaccine. However, during the trial -and after the untested vaccines were given emergency use authorization- the vaccine companies conducting the trial decided to break protocol and notify the control group they were not vaccinated. Almost all the control group were then given the vaccine.

Purposefully dissolving the placebo group violates the scientific purpose to test whether the vaccine has any efficacy; any actual benefit and/or safety issues. Without a control group there is nothing to compare the vaccinated group against. According to NPR, the doctors lost the control group in the Johnson County Clinicial Trial (Lexena, Kansas) on purpose:

(Via NPR) […] “Dr. Carlos Fierro, who runs the study there, says every participant was called back after the Food and Drug Administration authorized the vaccine.

“During that visit we discussed the options, which included staying in the study without the vaccine,” he says, “and amazingly there were people — a couple of people — who chose that.”

He suspects those individuals got spooked by rumors about the vaccine. But everybody else who had the placebo shot went ahead and got the actual vaccine. So now Fierro has essentially no comparison group left for the ongoing study. “It’s a loss from a scientific standpoint, but given the circumstances I think it’s the right thing to do,” he says.

People signing up for these studies were not promised special treatment, but once the FDA authorized the vaccines, their developers decided to offer the shots.

Just so we are clear, the final FDA authorization and approval for the vaccines are based on the outcome of these trials. As noted in the example above, the control group was intentionally lost under the auspices of “the right thing to do”, so there is no way for the efficacy, effectiveness or safety of the vaccine itself to be measured.

There’s no one left within the control group, of a statistically valid value, to give an adequate comparison of outcomes for vaxxed -vs- non-vaxxed.

Whiskey – Tango – Foxtrot !!! This is nuts.

That NPR article is one to bookmark when people start claiming the vaccination is effective.

How can the vaccine not be considered effective when there is no group of non-vaccinated people to compare the results to?

Good grief, the entire healthcare system is operating on a massive hive mindset where science, and the scientific method, is thrown out the window in favor of ideological outcomes and self-fulfilling prophecies. The fact that the researchers and doctors, apparently under the payroll of the pharmaceutical companies that have a vested financial interest in the vaccine outcome, lost the control group on purpose is alarming.

Of course, Big Pharma will promote the vaccine as beneficial, and the controlled media will promote that message with a complete disconnect from the clinical trial details, and the FDA will grant approval on results that were intentionally constructed to produce only one outcome.

Madness…. All of it.


38 posted on 08/07/2021 7:33:37 PM PDT by bitt (<img src=' 'width=500>)
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To: E. Pluribus Unum

IMO lost


39 posted on 08/07/2021 7:57:09 PM PDT by ptsal (Vote R.E.D. >>>Remove Every Democrat ***)
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To: CheshireTheCat

Those of us who refuse to get injected with the poisons labeled COVID vaccines are the real control group.


40 posted on 08/07/2021 7:57:36 PM PDT by Arcadian Empire
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