China’s Xiaomi overtakes Apple in global smartphone market

TG ^ | 7/16/2021 | Evan

[wrrock]

China's Xiaomi Corporation has surpassed US rival Apple Inc by 33% in global smartphone shipments to become the second largest smartphone manufacturer.

According to Canalys research, Xiaomi had a 17% share of global smartphone shipments during the second quarter 2021. Samsung had a 19% share. Apple came third with a 14% market share.

Compared to Apple and Samsung, Xiaomi's average selling prices are around 40% and 75% lower respectively. Xiaomi's top priority this year is to increase sales of its high-end devices like the Mi 11 Ultra.

[aMorePerfectUnion]

Is it, or do you undervalue your own right to privacy as it’s being stolen and sold, to pay for being a cheapskate?

[discostu]

Apple lies. You got no more privacy there than on any other phone:
https://www.politico.eu/article/apple-privacy-problem/
https://www.theatlantic.com/technology/archive/2019/01/apples-hypocritical-defense-data-privacy/581680/
https://appleinsider.com/articles/21/01/28/apple-illustrates-privacy-issues-on-data-privacy-day
https://www.applesutra.com/blog/apple-privacy-issues/

[aMorePerfectUnion]

Two lib publications.

Facebook went ballistic when Apple allowed users to prevent tracking.

Seems it must be real protection

[Crusher138]

So I just had to check...

I have a T-Mobile account with an aging iPhone 7. So I thought, heck, lets look at those Android phones.

Now, I am comparing comparable phones. There are tons of crap Android phones out there, so I decided to compare Samsung to Apple. Here is what they offered...

The Samsung Galaxy S21 - $1199.99 retail - $199 for me

The Apple iPhone 12 Max - $1099.99 retail - $349 for me

The Samsung Galaxy S20 - $1399.99 retail - $649 for me

The Apple iPhone 12 Mini - $729.99 retail - $0 for me

Yep...those safe, secure Apple devices sure do cost a lot more than those Android devices who admittedly supplement the price of the phone by loading it up with bloatware and gleefully sell your information.

Keep buying Android...

[discostu]

Another cultist pulling the leftist cult dodge. Really you guys are pathetic. We’re done, bye, enjoy your cult.

[Reily]

Without collecting & tracking what would Facebook sell ?

[aMorePerfectUnion]

Exactly

[discostu]

Not according to their website:
https://www.t-mobile.com/cell-phones
Galaxy S21 - $799.99
iPhone 12 Pro - $999.99

Although frankly Samsung is almost as bad. They’ve decided to become the “not quite Apple” in the pricing. I’d much rather aim at $264 Motorola.

Meanwhile of course you’re on T-Mobile. So you’re data is going out no matter what. And, as I said, APPLE LIES:
https://www.politico.eu/article/apple-privacy-problem/
https://www.theatlantic.com/technology/archive/2019/01/apples-hypocritical-defense-data-privacy/581680/
https://appleinsider.com/articles/21/01/28/apple-illustrates-privacy-issues-on-data-privacy-day
https://www.applesutra.com/blog/apple-privacy-issues/

you’re not 1 single bit or byte more private on Apple. And there’s just as much bloat.

Really, you cultists are sad. You just keep banging the same bucket over and over and insisting it’s a great bell. It’s ain’t.

[minnesota_bound]

This has been ongoing for a long time.

Life and death in Apple’s forbidden city - article 2010
https://www.theguardian.com/technology/2017/jun/18/foxconn-life-death-forbidden-city-longhua-suicide-apple-iphone-brian-merchant-one-device-extract

Foxconn’s enormous Longhua plant is a major manufacturer of Apple products.

The corporate response spurred further unease: Foxconn CEO, Terry Gou, had large nets installed outside many of the buildings to catch falling bodies.

Many photos of nets draping buildings if you google: apple nets around building
Click on Images.

[Crusher138]

I just logged onto my T-Mobile site and that is what they offered me.

As for the bloat...you know not of what you speak. Apple iPhones come with ZERO third party apps. None. Zip. Nada.

As for privacy...I am talking about actively selling your information. Apple does not. Android does.

[minnesota_bound]

I look at Ebay and Amazon for price. I get a model that is 2 years or older and now much cheaper.
I have a LG6 that specs out like a Samsung phone. Not much difference, maybe camera but I think the quality is compatible there or sound but hard to tell. I think iPhone and Samsung have louder sound then the LG I have.

[discostu]

BWAHAHAHAHAHAHA Riight. Doesn’t have to be 3rd party to be bloat. Just has to be useless software you’ll never use taking space. Or just crappy software like iTunes.

Apple DOES.

[discostu]

I’ve got an LG, good little phone. Gets the job done. And soooo much cheaper.

[Crusher138]

By your definition any software you don’t like is bloatware.

A more appropriate working definition would be “software installed by a third party that you didn’t not ask for, nor will you likely use.”

Apple does not have third party apps installed on their phones when you purchase them.

[Swordmaker]

“Apple is stupid for building their phones in China. What did they think was going to happen?”

They didn’t care. Short term profit outweighs long term viability.

Ah, the normal mid to late July Apple FUD Season argument… I knew it would make its appearance… I was waiting for it to be posted. Like clockwork, here it is.

Incorrect. Apple doesn’t build iPhones only in China. Apple manufactures parts for the iPhone in over 150 countries including the USA. The assemble them in several countries including Brazil, India, Malaysia, Vietnam, and China. Sub-assemblies are assembled in multiple countries. Design of chips is done by Apple, and the overall engineering of hardware and software is done by Apple in California, Austin, Ireland, and several other campuses.

Apple computers are variously assembled or manufactured in China, Malaysia, Ireland, Vietnam, and the USA—in Elk Grove, California, for custom configured iMacs, or Austin, Texas for MacPro.

This past week, AAPL stock prices topped all time highs on the DOW, and Apple reached an all time record as the most valuable company in history at $2.49 Trillion Market Cap. There are dozens of cellular phone manufacturers that are no longer in business that went for “long term viability” that are no longer in the handset business… Nokia, Motorola, Ericsson, Blackberry anyone? So much for losing “long term viability.”

What ”short term” profits, brownsfan? I think Apple is now looking at a steady profit growth pattern of about 25 years, resulting in Apple becoming the most valuable publicly traded company in the World.

This article is pure FUD in advance of the upcoming Financial Conference Call on July 27… so we are in Fear, Uncertainty, and Doubt (FUD) Season in advance of that call. These type of articles always start appearing in the two to three weeks in advance of Apple events.

ALSO, Apple’s success has never been targeted toward being the number one in sales volume. If so, they’d be competing on price and chasing the bottom of the barrel and selling discount iPhones in high-quantity at bargain basement pricing. They have never done that. Apple does not even sell the highest priced smartphones; that is a Samsung Android phone. Xiaomi started out by making exact look-alike Android operating iPhone knock-offs

Xiaomi MI A2 (left), Apple iPhone X (right)
2018
and capturing lots of iPhone user wanna-bes in the China market by selling the knock-offs for 1/20th the price of the real thing.

In January of 2021, Xiaomi was determined by our Department of Defense to be an asset of the Chinese Army, but Xiaomi sued in a Federal Court of the District of Columbia and found a Progressive Liberal Judge who ruled that they were not and that Xiaomi products could be used by our military. In May, 2021, the new Biden Administration military agreed, despite the fact that all Xiaomi products store their cloud data on Chinese servers in mainland china and have pre-installed Chinese apps that do indeed call home to mainland China. Of course, these are completely safe for everyone to use, including our military. An impartial Judge says so. Right, sure. —Apple FUD PING!

APPLE CONFERENCE CALL FUD PING!

If you want on or off the Apple/Mac/iOS Ping List, Freepmail me.

[discostu]

That’s pretty much the universal definition of bloatware. Here’s straight out of Oxford:
unwanted software included on a new computer or mobile device by the manufacturer.
“users must initially contend with the usual bevy of bloatware (unnecessary toolbars, games of questionable value)”

Notice not 1 word about 3rd party. Look at Windows. Everybody’s #1 target for complaints about bloatware, and every single bit of bloat on Windows was written by MS.

[Crusher138]

Well, when I bought an HP computer recently, MS didn’t install what I consider to be bloatware, HP did. Computer manufacturers, and phone manufactures, are paid by 3rd parties to allow their software to be pre-installed.

Apple does not do this.

[discostu]

Good for you. Meanwhile, out here in reality, to be bloatware it just has to be something you don’t want that was put there before you even got the machine. MS, HP, Apple, doesn’t matter. Unwanted, destined to be unused, taking up storage space, and maybe even RAM. I don’t care if Apple doesn’t get paid by others, they bloat just as hard as everybody else.

[Crusher138]

You mentioned iTunes and called it bloatware.

So is it your contention that computers and phones, should they have any software on them, push bloatware?

[discostu]

That’s where things get interesting.

See way back when people used to give DOS crap for being “incomplete”. Cause it didn’t have all these disk management tools and other stuff that “real” OSes had. Of course these days all the OSes come with a ton of crap nobody ever uses and everybody complains about bloatware. Where’s the line? I don’t know. My phone’s got a bunch of stuff I never use. Some came from Google, some from LG, some from Metro. Of course some of the stuff they put on their I use and you probably wouldn’t if your phone has an equivalent. I freaking live for Quickmemo+. But I haven’t listened to the radio in the 21st century and do not need an app for that (just picking a random icon on my phone). Maybe you have no urge for notes, but like radio.

So what is or isn’t bloatware? I think, in the end, it’s just something we complain about. For a while MS was putting these half baked Office apps on machines that looked like Word and Excel but weren’t, and couldn’t open real Word or Excel files, and couldn’t save in a format real Word or Excel could open. That crap was definitely bloatware. Everything else is up in the air. But I guarantee if I got an iPhone that iTunes crap would be deleted or hidden on my last screen. Cause that’s crap software.