Posted on 05/13/2021 8:30:30 AM PDT by LuciusDomitiusAutelian
The Roman legions didn’t often know defeat. Military supremacy is what made the Roman Empire one of the most powerful in history. So the thousands of Roman soldiers who lay dying in the German mud of Teutoburg forest in 9 AD must have, beneath the pain of their wounds and the fear of death, felt a keen surprise. Roman legions didn’t often know defeat, and here three of them were utterly annihilated. This was not something a legionary expected to experience in his career.
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RINOs and Dems are the enemy.
Fair enough. Sorry but I’ll have to pass. Alphabet Inc is on the no $ list with Amazon, Coke, NFL, MLB. Soon I’ll have nothing left to do but find an old outdated library where they haven’t purged the history.
I have Tacitus book, The Annals. I had been some months ago began to read it, he does describe the battle in the Teutoburg Forest. I was surprised at the shape of the Roman army from his descriptions. It was not the well equipped, beautifully outfitted army we all have been shown in many movies and books but sounded more like an army of tired poor shoddily dressed soldiers. Very much war weary. He described that Rome had a thing where one had to sign up for the army, had to put in something like 13 years of servitude, was not paid well, poorly fed and I think they had to buy their own outfits. It sounded just gruesome that battle. Those men fought with real courage in the view of the fact they were not properly equipped and there was a mutiny at one point.
Before the Marian Reforms (pre-Empire) they were citizen soldiers. They had to provide their own equipment. By this point they were very well trained and equipped. They were deceived and Arminius lured them right into the kill box. The Maniple system was designed for battle on an open field. They simply had no chance of surviving the trap. Part of my reason of posting this is so folks learn important lessons (politically) not to walk into a trap set by the enemy (See Jan 6th)
And the deal was so many years of service and plot of land. Even Julius Caesar fought to see that they were rewarded for their loyalty and service. A large reason he was able to gain popular support. It got up to 20 years of service at one point and is in large part the reason the Praetorian Guard and the Legions had no regard for the Senate. Leading to emperors like Maximus Thrax.
Yes, very close to the Messiahs arrival. And not for from his ascendancy from the cross. I will eventually post about Judea and Pontius Pilate.
The officers always have to know their terrain. Stonewall Jackson always sent out his engineers to survey ahead of his army. Every hill, tree, rock and water was mapped.
Do you know how the German pronunciation has shifted over 2,000 years? Herman = Erman (if the H is silent), and the “ius” is just a Latin masculine ending, presumably added when Herman, as a young man, was a hostage/cadet/honored guest being brought up in Rome as a means of ensuring his father’s good behavior. What I don’t know is how the “E” sound in “Erman” becomes the “A” sound in “Armenius.” How did the Germans pronounce “Herman” 2000 years ago? Those vowel shifts are tricky things.
The officers always have to know their terrain. Stonewall Jackson always sent out his engineers to survey ahead of his army. Every hill, tree, rock and water was mapped.
Absolutely. First rule of in the order of battle. Never let the enemy set the time or terrain. And if you have no choice at the very least, scout it. A patient successful field general will not be lured onto unfavorable terrain or unfavorable time. But history is littered with failures due to disregarding this cardinal rule of military doctrine. This mistake is usually made because generals are impatient for the glory.
Fascinating. I’m not a linguist. So I have no idea. Had a very interesting conversation at Schipol in Holland with a Dane, and Irishman and Dutchman. (I know, sounds like the beginning of a joke). The Dane was a linguist. Pretty fascinating conversation. And the best bartender I ever met (Indonesian fellow).
The battle, with a soundtrack: https://m.youtube.com/watch?v=YJHnM_PqreE
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This distinguishes Germans from the Chinese, Russians, Turks, Cambodians, Rwandans (etc.), all of whom were skilled at mass murder, but without the fine clocks.
Isn’t there some recent controversy about to what extent the turncoat nature of Arminius was convenient or fabricated?
The Germans were far more successful than the Gauls.
And they never had to deal with Julius.
Yes. There is controversy about everything in history. As long as you have universities and professors and archeologists and such there will always be competing theories. Which is a good thing. But some of them are ludicrous. But there is obvious logic as to why the Romans would want to save face. But this case is pretty well documented. Like science, you have to assume everything is nothing but a hypothesis. Some of the pop-history and pseudo-science peddled these days though is quite ridiculous.
You're incapable of proper mockery, Puker.
Being an object of ridicule and scorn what you are.
And you got weak burns.
I think he rubbed with the Cherusci and a couple of other tribes. But nothing other than skirmishes and pretexts to raise legions though. Curious, who do you consider to be the best field generals in history. Julius Caesar is probably #1 in my list. The man was brilliant and had a horseshoe up his @$$.
Here comes the Q brigade! Please don’t litter up my thread. Or I’ll litter up yours. I’m an old testament kind of guy.
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