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The Battle Of Teutoburg Forest: The Disaster That Shook Rome
www.fascinate.com ^ | previous to 5/13/2021 | Jamie Hayes

Posted on 05/13/2021 8:30:30 AM PDT by LuciusDomitiusAutelian

The Roman legions didn’t often know defeat. Military supremacy is what made the Roman Empire one of the most powerful in history. So the thousands of Roman soldiers who lay dying in the German mud of Teutoburg forest in 9 AD must have, beneath the pain of their wounds and the fear of death, felt a keen surprise. Roman legions didn’t often know defeat, and here three of them were utterly annihilated. This was not something a legionary expected to experience in his career.

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TOPICS: Education; History; Military/Veterans
KEYWORDS: antiquity; europe; germany; history; legions; rome; teutoburgforest
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To: Lurker
Not in the slightest.

RINOs and Dems are the enemy.

21 posted on 05/13/2021 8:55:53 AM PDT by grey_whiskers (The opinions are solely those of the author and are subject to change with out notice.)
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To: grey_whiskers

Fair enough. Sorry but I’ll have to pass. Alphabet Inc is on the no $ list with Amazon, Coke, NFL, MLB. Soon I’ll have nothing left to do but find an old outdated library where they haven’t purged the history.


22 posted on 05/13/2021 8:57:14 AM PDT by LuciusDomitiusAutelian (netstat -an | grep BS)
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To: LuciusDomitiusAutelian

I have Tacitus book, The Annals. I had been some months ago began to read it, he does describe the battle in the Teutoburg Forest. I was surprised at the shape of the Roman army from his descriptions. It was not the well equipped, beautifully outfitted army we all have been shown in many movies and books but sounded more like an army of tired poor shoddily dressed soldiers. Very much war weary. He described that Rome had a thing where one had to sign up for the army, had to put in something like 13 years of servitude, was not paid well, poorly fed and I think they had to buy their own outfits. It sounded just gruesome that battle. Those men fought with real courage in the view of the fact they were not properly equipped and there was a mutiny at one point.


23 posted on 05/13/2021 8:59:15 AM PDT by Beowulf9
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To: Beowulf9

Before the Marian Reforms (pre-Empire) they were citizen soldiers. They had to provide their own equipment. By this point they were very well trained and equipped. They were deceived and Arminius lured them right into the kill box. The Maniple system was designed for battle on an open field. They simply had no chance of surviving the trap. Part of my reason of posting this is so folks learn important lessons (politically) not to walk into a trap set by the enemy (See Jan 6th)


24 posted on 05/13/2021 9:05:40 AM PDT by LuciusDomitiusAutelian (netstat -an | grep BS)
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To: LuciusDomitiusAutelian

And the deal was so many years of service and plot of land. Even Julius Caesar fought to see that they were rewarded for their loyalty and service. A large reason he was able to gain popular support. It got up to 20 years of service at one point and is in large part the reason the Praetorian Guard and the Legions had no regard for the Senate. Leading to emperors like Maximus Thrax.


25 posted on 05/13/2021 9:09:01 AM PDT by LuciusDomitiusAutelian (netstat -an | grep BS)
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To: TexasFreeper2009

Yes, very close to the Messiahs arrival. And not for from his ascendancy from the cross. I will eventually post about Judea and Pontius Pilate.


26 posted on 05/13/2021 9:14:38 AM PDT by LuciusDomitiusAutelian (netstat -an | grep BS)
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To: LuciusDomitiusAutelian

The officers always have to know their terrain. Stonewall Jackson always sent out his engineers to survey ahead of his army. Every hill, tree, rock and water was mapped.


27 posted on 05/13/2021 9:17:35 AM PDT by lurk ( )
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To: LuciusDomitiusAutelian

Do you know how the German pronunciation has shifted over 2,000 years? Herman = Erman (if the H is silent), and the “ius” is just a Latin masculine ending, presumably added when Herman, as a young man, was a hostage/cadet/honored guest being brought up in Rome as a means of ensuring his father’s good behavior. What I don’t know is how the “E” sound in “Erman” becomes the “A” sound in “Armenius.” How did the Germans pronounce “Herman” 2000 years ago? Those vowel shifts are tricky things.


28 posted on 05/13/2021 9:17:44 AM PDT by sphinx
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To: LuciusDomitiusAutelian

The officers always have to know their terrain. Stonewall Jackson always sent out his engineers to survey ahead of his army. Every hill, tree, rock and water was mapped.


29 posted on 05/13/2021 9:17:46 AM PDT by lurk ( )
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To: lurk

Absolutely. First rule of in the order of battle. Never let the enemy set the time or terrain. And if you have no choice at the very least, scout it. A patient successful field general will not be lured onto unfavorable terrain or unfavorable time. But history is littered with failures due to disregarding this cardinal rule of military doctrine. This mistake is usually made because generals are impatient for the glory.


30 posted on 05/13/2021 9:23:39 AM PDT by LuciusDomitiusAutelian (netstat -an | grep BS)
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To: sphinx

Fascinating. I’m not a linguist. So I have no idea. Had a very interesting conversation at Schipol in Holland with a Dane, and Irishman and Dutchman. (I know, sounds like the beginning of a joke). The Dane was a linguist. Pretty fascinating conversation. And the best bartender I ever met (Indonesian fellow).


31 posted on 05/13/2021 9:25:49 AM PDT by LuciusDomitiusAutelian (netstat -an | grep BS)
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To: LuciusDomitiusAutelian

The battle, with a soundtrack: https://m.youtube.com/watch?v=YJHnM_PqreE


32 posted on 05/13/2021 9:31:51 AM PDT by Captain Walker ("Every high civilization decays by forgetting obvious things." - G. K. Chesterton)
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To: SunkenCiv

Ping.

5.56mm


33 posted on 05/13/2021 9:34:57 AM PDT by M Kehoe (Quid Pro Joe and the Ho need to go.)
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To: BenLurkin

This distinguishes Germans from the Chinese, Russians, Turks, Cambodians, Rwandans (etc.), all of whom were skilled at mass murder, but without the fine clocks.


34 posted on 05/13/2021 9:36:17 AM PDT by Campion (What part of "shall not be infringed" don't they understand?)
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To: LuciusDomitiusAutelian

Isn’t there some recent controversy about to what extent the turncoat nature of Arminius was convenient or fabricated?


35 posted on 05/13/2021 9:45:51 AM PDT by KC Burke (If all the world is a stage, I would like to request my lighting be adjusted.)
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To: LuciusDomitiusAutelian

The Germans were far more successful than the Gauls.

And they never had to deal with Julius.


36 posted on 05/13/2021 9:49:24 AM PDT by Mariner (War Criminal #18)
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To: KC Burke

Yes. There is controversy about everything in history. As long as you have universities and professors and archeologists and such there will always be competing theories. Which is a good thing. But some of them are ludicrous. But there is obvious logic as to why the Romans would want to save face. But this case is pretty well documented. Like science, you have to assume everything is nothing but a hypothesis. Some of the pop-history and pseudo-science peddled these days though is quite ridiculous.


37 posted on 05/13/2021 9:51:18 AM PDT by LuciusDomitiusAutelian (netstat -an | grep BS)
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To: Lurker
Qballs should be mocked at every opportunity.

You're incapable of proper mockery, Puker.

Being an object of ridicule and scorn what you are.

And you got weak burns.


38 posted on 05/13/2021 9:53:20 AM PDT by bagster ("Even bad men love their mamas".)
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To: Mariner

I think he rubbed with the Cherusci and a couple of other tribes. But nothing other than skirmishes and pretexts to raise legions though. Curious, who do you consider to be the best field generals in history. Julius Caesar is probably #1 in my list. The man was brilliant and had a horseshoe up his @$$.


39 posted on 05/13/2021 9:53:31 AM PDT by LuciusDomitiusAutelian (netstat -an | grep BS)
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To: bagster

Here comes the Q brigade! Please don’t litter up my thread. Or I’ll litter up yours. I’m an old testament kind of guy.


40 posted on 05/13/2021 9:54:33 AM PDT by LuciusDomitiusAutelian (netstat -an | grep BS)
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