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To: x; gattaca; rockrr; DoodleDawg; jeffersondem
x: "All this argument about the war 160 years ago reflects a loss of faith in America."

I'd be tempted to agree, except for the fact that our Lost Causers have been making similar arguments for, what is it now, 156 years?
So it's not a sudden "loss of faith" so much as a permanent cultural condition, passed down over generations, seemingly along with mothers' milk, by Democrats who, just as now, taught their children to hate the United States.

So, anti-Federalist rejection is taught first.
Secessionists' hatred is taught next, followed by Lost Causer anger against the United States.
Patriotism may, or may not, come later in life.

Respect for Republicans' defense of original constitutional & Christian values?
Naw, maybe never.

But it's not a new thing, its a permanent condition and somehow we've survived these past 233 years despite it.
I'm only concerned about it because the threats Americans face today seem more bewildering and pernicious than any I can remember.

It would be really, truly nice, if for a change we'd all be on the same team.
Sure, Trump's team is a great start, but how long can it last?

234 posted on 04/04/2021 5:06:33 PM PDT by BroJoeK ((a little historical perspective...) )
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To: BroJoeK

You ignore the undeniable fact that southerners, regardless of pride in their Confederate past, tend to be unwavering patriotic America-loving devotees.

The south is...as commie Dems love to point out...a stronghold of Republicanism. New England is not at all. They’d rather insult American ideals as a whole.

In fact I’ve noticed that southerners tend to only hate the US of the CW, while Dems (yes, now) only LOVE the US without qualifier during theCW.


237 posted on 04/04/2021 7:35:03 PM PDT by the OlLine Rebel (Common sense is an uncommon virtue./Federal-run medical care is as good as state-run DMVs. I )
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To: BroJoeK
The South did have a very different point of view about the Civil War for a century after the war, but it only entered into the national conversation of the Northern states indirectly. Fifty or one hundred years after the war the idea that the war and Reconstruction had been a mistake was something people might hear in the North, but there was still much respect for Lincoln and you wouldn't hear Northerners say the secessionists had been right.

After segregation went away, it looked like the country might be on the same page for once back in the 1970s and 1980s. But all the agitation and divisions of the country reopened debate over the Civil War back in the 1990s, and it's grown since then.

In a strange way the extremists on both sides attack Lincoln and the North as racists. What BLM types say is seen by some neo-Confederates as a justification for the Confederacy, strange as that may be.

That's how I see it, anyway.

250 posted on 04/05/2021 9:35:54 AM PDT by x
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