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To: BroJoeK

You ignore the undeniable fact that southerners, regardless of pride in their Confederate past, tend to be unwavering patriotic America-loving devotees.

The south is...as commie Dems love to point out...a stronghold of Republicanism. New England is not at all. They’d rather insult American ideals as a whole.

In fact I’ve noticed that southerners tend to only hate the US of the CW, while Dems (yes, now) only LOVE the US without qualifier during theCW.


237 posted on 04/04/2021 7:35:03 PM PDT by the OlLine Rebel (Common sense is an uncommon virtue./Federal-run medical care is as good as state-run DMVs. I )
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theOlLine Rebel: "You ignore the undeniable fact that southerners, regardless of pride in their Confederate past, tend to be unwavering patriotic America-loving devotees."

Agreed, but I don't ignore that.
The explanation is that Democrats have always taught their children to hate the United States, except when they themselves rule over us.
This fact is so very powerful I suspect it could help explain why a staunch Republican like Teddy Roosevelt split apart his majority Republican party in 1912, thus electing Southern Democrat Woodrow Wilson president.
Even in 1912 war was on the horizon and really smart people like Teddy Roosevelt would want to be certain the South is on-board for whatever war the US might need to fight.

theOlLine Rebel: "The south is...as commie Dems love to point out...a stronghold of Republicanism.
New England is not at all.
They’d rather insult American ideals as a whole."

I agree that New England seems to have gone nuts, careening beyond the reach of reasonable discourse.
But New England represents only 2% of our land and 4% of our population, and even, of those six states, only three (MA, VT & RI) are solid-solid blue.
The rest have at least a few conservatives to keep them from blithering insanity.

My point is: why be obsessed with New England?

theOlLine Rebel: "In fact I’ve noticed that southerners tend to only hate the US of the CW, while Dems (yes, now) only LOVE the US without qualifier during theCW."

Partisan Democrats are always in opposition, except when they themselves rule over us.
Sure, you might say the Civil War was an exception to that, however, remember its cause: the ruling Democrat majority in 1860 was split in half by a small minority of Deep South Fire Eaters and so lost to the minority Republicans (Lincoln).
Having first split their majority Democrat party, Fire Eaters soon went on to split the nation and then declared war against the United States!
Most Northern Democrats saw that Confederate Democrats were the weaker side and so joined Republicans to defeat them.

After the CW that old North-South Democrat alliance quickly reformed and was joined by some RINOs like Salmon Chase, effectively ending Reconstruction in 1876.
That alliance held pretty strong until, roughly, 1964, when, of all people, Lyndon Johnson kissed-off Southern white voters in favor of "civil rights" -- and Republican Barry Goldwater, for the first time ever, offered them a viable Republican alternative.

Bottom line: for Democrats it's always "rule or ruin" -- if Democrats can't rule over us, they'll work to ruin us, today, just as in, for example, 1860.

278 posted on 04/06/2021 10:49:32 AM PDT by BroJoeK ((a little historical perspective...) )
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