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To: ransomnote
I think it’s reasonable to assume that vaccine trial participants were give the PCR ‘test’ repeatedly: at the start of the trial, after Dose 1, after Dose 2, and then routinely through the 4 or so weeks of monitoring following to see at what point they might supposedly contract (e.g., subject’s PCR ‘test’ positive 10 days after vaccine administration – too soon for vaccine to protect participant).

That's not necessarily a reasonable assumption and from what I know they didn't do routine PCR testing of the two populations at all.

As you posted, Cases of COVID‑19, starting 14 days after Dose 2, were defined as symptomatic COVID‑19 requiring positive RT-PCR result.... The person had to have Covid symptoms and if so the diagnosis was confirmed by the PCR test.

Many more people who got the placebo had symptoms than those who got the vaccine.

People were only tested if they had symptoms, so it's possible many people who got the vaccine contracted asymptomatic disease, but note the manufacturers don't make any claims about efficacy against that.

To the overall point about false positives the nearly perfect correlation between positive case counts, hospitalizations and deaths indicates the tests are very often right.

8 posted on 03/24/2021 11:00:05 AM PDT by semimojo
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To: semimojo
To the overall point about false positives ... [statistics] indicates the tests are very often right.

I at first had no faith in the PCR tests, but with time, seeing my SIL tested repeatedly (work related, probably a dozen times), and always testing negative, I've had to conclude that false positives are uncommon ... at least in the medical environment that administered his tests.

19 posted on 03/24/2021 11:10:36 AM PDT by Tellurian (2/4/2004: DARPA Lifelog terminated, Facebook initiated)
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To: semimojo

“ Many more people who got the placebo had symptoms”

Minor cold symptoms - so who cares? Look at the trials reports on severe symptoms. The number of instances are more for placebo, but both arms are minuscule. Scale matters.


32 posted on 03/24/2021 11:22:05 AM PDT by ReaganGeneration2
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To: semimojo
Mine/ prior: I think it’s reasonable to assume that vaccine trial participants were give the PCR ‘test’ repeatedly: at the start of the trial, after Dose 1, after Dose 2, and then routinely through the 4 or so weeks of monitoring following to see at what point they might supposedly contract (e.g., subject’s PCR ‘test’ positive 10 days after vaccine administration – too soon for vaccine to protect participant).

Yours: That's not necessarily a reasonable assumption and from what I know they didn't do routine PCR testing of the two populations at all.

Mine: They state they use PCR or symptoms, including a single symtom.

Even if they just tested before and after, their PCR test cannot render the results they claim because it's almost random. They can use symptom(s) to indicate respiratory illness but they cannot accurately say what caused that illness or combination of illnesses.

Yours: As you posted, Cases of COVID‑19, starting 14 days after Dose 2, were defined as symptomatic COVID‑19 requiring positive RT-PCR result.... The person had to have Covid symptoms and if so the diagnosis was confirmed by the PCR test.

Mine: That's circular logic. They can say they are symptomatic but the PCR test can't confirm the presence of Covid-19. They have no idea how many different respiratory illnesses or combination of illnesses were present among their sick trial participants.

Yours: Many more people who got the placebo had symptoms than those who got the vaccine.

Mine: That doesn't mean any of them were sick with Covid-19. There are countless respiratory illnesses out there.

Yours: People were only tested if they had symptoms, so it's possible many people who got the vaccine contracted asymptomatic disease, but note the manufacturers don't make any claims about efficacy against that.

Mine: It's just as well since they can't prove whether Covid was present in any symptomatic or asymptomatic trial participants.

Yours: To the overall point about false positives the nearly perfect correlation between positive case counts, hospitalizations and deaths indicates the tests are very often right.

Mine: They created a new term to describe healthy people: aymptomatic.

They made a new rule for this fake pandemic which required all persons dying within 60 days of a (false) postive PCR test must be declared as dying of Covid-19 (including deaths from car accidents, COPD, cancer). They then claimed that information proved the presence of asymptomatic illness.

104 posted on 03/24/2021 5:38:38 PM PDT by ransomnote (IN GOD WE TRUST)
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