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The logical argument that Fauci, Moderna, Pfizer and others may have fabricated fake Covid-19 vaccine trials and reported falsified data
3/24/2021 | vanity

Posted on 03/24/2021 10:34:34 AM PDT by ransomnote

This post is organized to present 4 points to consider, and then a few key questions regarding these considerations, and finally overall observations that together, I believe, demonstrate that the vaccines, and their ‘rushed’ trials are mixtures of fabrications.

4 Points

  1. Mike Yeadon is the former CSO and VP, Allergy and Respiratory Research Head with Pfizer Global R&D and co-Founder of Ziarco Pharma Ltd.

Referencing his 30+ years of experience working in the vaccine industry, Dr. Yeadon makes the case that the PRC test renders false positive test results for approximately 90% of tests administered, and that false negatives are also reported. The publication date is 9/20/2020 at which time Dr. Yeadon states that he believes the vaccines will be pulled from the marked within 6 months following introduction.

From the article:

“Because of the high false positive rate and the low prevalence, almost every positive test, a so-called case, identified by Pillar 2 since May of this year has been a FALSE POSITIVE. Not just a few percent. Not a quarter or even a half of the positives are FALSE, but around 90% of them. Put simply, the number of people Mr Hancock sombrely tells us about is an overestimate by a factor of about ten-fold. Earlier in the summer, it was an overestimate by about 20-fold.”

Lies, Damned Lies and Health Statistics – the Deadly Danger of False Positives

3/22/2021, 10:13:02 AM · by ransomnote · 15 replies

lockdownsceptics.org ^ | September 20, 2020 | Dr Michael Yeadon

 In the following article, the author makes the case that the PCR is invalid because it doesn’t identify the Covid-19 virus.

 The PCR test identifies manufacturers’ specified strings of molecules (i.e., ‘primer sequenes’) said to be present in the Covid-19 virus.

  1. The PRC test returns a positive Covid-19 test result whenever it identifies predetermined sequences of molecules which are also found in fruit, motor oil, Spanish River water, animals, Coca Cola and many other materials.



  1. Multiple manufacturers produce PCR tests, but they use different predetermined sequences of molecules to constitute a ‘match’ to sequences in the Covid-19 virus.

From the article, “The CDC is using 12 different computer data base "primer" sequences, varying from 17 to 21 nucleotide sequences in a row to look for Covaids, the same sequence found in goats, papayas, river water, motor oil, etc.”

The same small sequence found in goats, papayas, your pyjamas”

  1. The World Health Organization’s version of the PCR test is designed to identify, as a positive Covid-19 test result, sequences of molecules also found in human DNA.

“The WHO was using human Chromosome 8 as their test database “primer” sequence to detect Covaids, which was looking for the 18 in a row nucleotide sequence ctccctttgt tgtgttgt, which is found on the 8th out of the 23 pairs of chromosomal trees on all humans.“

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  1. The PCR test is a tool designed for research, not public health, and therefore amplifies the fragments of molecular chains present in far too small amounts to cause disease.

From the article:

 “A so called PCR "test" is NOT a test.

 It's Nobel Prize winning inventor, Kary Mullis, himself was furious that it was being used for any such nonsense as it can neither “test” for anything nor prove how much of any detected genetic material is inside anybody, let alone tell anyone if whatever it does detect is the cause of any illness or disease or not.”

 PLAGUE OF FEAR 2020 - Part 7 - THE NAIL IN COVID'S COFFIN

3/18/2021, 5:53:41 PM · by ransomnote · 11 replies

hive.blog ^ | Jan 31, 2020 | Steve Falconer, francesleader 

  1. Also in the article, PLAGUE OF FEAR 2020 - Part 7 - THE NAIL IN COVID'S COFFIN , the author cites the fact that according to the CDC, no isolated samples of the Covid-19 virus exists.

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  1. The vaccine trials used the PCR test to evaluate how the vaccine impacted the disease.

For example, the following is excerpted from Moderna’s Phase 3 trial report.

"Summary of Dat from Phase 3 Clinical Trial

The primary efficacy analysis population (referred to as the Per-Protocol Set), included 28,207 participants who received two doses (at 0 and 1 month) of either Moderna COVID‑19 Vaccine (n=14,134) or placebo (n=14,073), and had a negative baseline SARS‑CoV‑2 status. 

The median length of follow up for efficacy for participants in the study was 9 weeks post Dose There were 11 COVID‑19 cases in the Moderna COVID‑19 Vaccine group and 185 cases in the placebo group, with a vaccine efficacy of 94.1% (95% confidence interval of 89.3% to 96.8%).

Cases of COVID‑19, starting 14 days after Dose 2, were defined as symptomatic COVID‑19 requiring positive RT-PCR result and at least two systemic symptoms or one respiratory symptom.

Among all participants in the Per-Protocol Set analysis, which included COVID‑19 cases confirmed by an adjudication committee, no cases of severe COVID‑19 were reported in the Moderna COVID‑19 Vaccine group compared with 30 cases reported in the placebo group (incidence rate 9.138 per 1,000 person-years). One PCR-positive case of severe COVID‑19 in a vaccine recipient was awaiting adjudication at the time of the analysis.”

USING THESE 4 CONSIDERATIONS

The following are just a few of the problems with using an invalid test to validate Covid-19 vaccine trials.

  1. Given that the the PCR test does not identify the Covid-19 virus, how can the vaccine trials determine if their products impacted the health status (with, or without Covid-19) of their patients
  2. Given that the CDC says samples of isolated Covid-19 virus has never been “available” to researchers, how can the vaccine trials prove the efficacy of the vaccines against the Covid-19 virus?
  3. How can researchers identify the cause of the Covid-19 symptoms recorded in their trial data?
  4. Given false positive rates,often resulting in 10 to 20 fold distortions of Covid-19 data, how can the vaccine trials have recorded data that supports their clinical hypothesis. Any time the PCR ‘test’ was administered, the results were likely wrong; how did almost random positive/negative ‘test’ result taken before and after (and likely throughout) the trials happen to miraculously perfectly align to provide vaccine manufacturers with winning results as described below?

 “In another promising medical development, the biotechnology company Moderna has announced its COVID-19 vaccine could be up to 94.5% effective.

The news comes a week after Pfizer announced its vaccine could be up to 90% effective based on a similar, early analysis from its Phase 3 trial.”

 Moderna announces initial Phase 3 data showing its COVID-19 vaccine is up to 94.5% effective - ABC News (go.com)

 I think it’s reasonable to assume that vaccine trial participants were give the PCR ‘test’ repeatedly: at the start of the trial, after Dose 1, after Dose 2, and then routinely through the 4 or so weeks of monitoring following to see at what point they might supposedly contract (e.g., subject’s PCR ‘test’ positive 10 days after vaccine administration – too soon for vaccine to protect participant).

I think you can see where I’m going here. For the vaccine trials to be valid, the PCR test had to be valid. However the PCR test is not valid for this use, yet the many PCR ‘supposedly’ administered to 28,207 always tracked reliably to portray consistent, reliable, positive vaccine trial results

College students used to have two specific terms for false experimental data.

Fudging the data”: After the experiment or study failed to return expected outcomes, the data was ‘modified’ to support the experimental hypothesis.


Dry lab-ing”: While the experimental design specified in detail exacting laboratory and instrumentation critera, phases, tests etc., no actual lab work occurred (no need to wash out beakers, etc. as no real lab work took place).

I have to wonder just HOW the vaccine companies all came up with their data under the circumstances.

I’ll add one more problem with the scenario involving the development of the Covid mRNA vaccines that has me wondering. I haven’t given it a lot of thought but I believe there is something to it.

Initially I was posting that the mRNA technology upon which the mRNA vaccines were based was discovered in 2005; obtained Emergency Use Authorization and in 15 years since has failed to obtain FDA approval; conducted animal trials in 2005 and 2012 in which all animals (cats) developed anti-bodies and then when exposed to the virus being tested at the time (HIV, Hep C, other Coronaviruses), all animals died (their immune systems over-reacted).

Recently a FReeper has been reporting that there was in fact a successful  trials which included "mice, ferrets, monkeys and interim report on human trials 2017"  using the same nano mRNA technology underpining the Covid vaccines.

Suppressed Information About the Covid-19 Vaccine' | Vol 01 Date: 03/20/2021 (freerepublic.com)

The sources I had consulted made no mention of trials involving mice that survived. I was going to hunt for that data to see if it was correct, but now that I know the trials are worthless, I won’t bother.

Here’s the problem. The mRNA technology was considered an exciting find in 2005 because it could open the door to T-cell immunity which was otherwise little understood but believed to hold tremendous promise for human health.

The first animal trials took place in 2005 and failed. More work was done and the second round of animal trials was performed in 2012 and again met with failure. The mRNA technology under development for the past 15 years never reached human trials or obtained FDA approval.

If the FReeper is correct that trials involving mice which survived took place in 2017, why didn't the researchers move to begin full-scale trials with that technology? 3 years later that technology was modified for use in Covid-19 vaccines, but it seems like nothing happened with the platform technology until it was selected to for modification serve as the basis for the Covid-19 vaccines.

I wonder if I dig up information on this, might I find that Hillary Clinton was expected to win the 2016 election after which time her administration would have required mandatory vaccinations.

Our enemies want to reduce our population to a tame, manageable size. Just wondering. If you’ve seen the ‘Lock Down” scenarios, it does seem that the New World Order types have been planning their worldwide coup for some time, and one of the analyzed scnearios was a pandemic. And then we had Bill Gate’s symposium in 2019 walking through pandemic scenarios. Fauci funded Wuhan long before Wuhan’s ‘accidental’ release of a virus comprised of human/bat/HIV RNA material.

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We’ve been betrayed in all aspects of the Planned-Demic since the engineered China virus was first deployed in Yuhan.

The sick were denied all treatment and told to go home until they needed hospitalization. How many illnesses could be spun into a fake Planned-Demic if the public were denied treatment? How can they claim to have a compassionate dedication to protecting us if they refuse us the right to try FDA approved medications when we’re dying?

HCQ and Ivermectin were FDA approved and in use with good track records for decades. The CDC not only banned the off-label use of these drugs during a time they declared an unprecedented medical emergency, they wouldn’t even award these drugs “Emergency Use Authorization” they would later grant their fake vaccines. They denied dying people the right to assume any risks in a final attempt to survive the illness.

They’ve lied to the public and told us the Covid-19 vaccines are FDA approved. Fauci himself said they were when asked on video. He then went on to craftily equate FDA approval with FDA authorization when he knows the difference.

Fauci is on video stating that asymptomatic spread does not drive epidemics; he’ll say whatever needs to be said to advance the narrative, and if it’s that asymptomic spread is devastating and we all have to shut down the economy, schools, and life stay home, he’s your guy.

45 Second Twitter Video Clip of Dr. Fauci Saying. ".... asympomatic spread is rare and historically not a driver of outbreaks. Symptomatic people drive outbreaks."

(sidenote: Fauci's NIH division collaborated with Pfizer to produce their Covid-19 vaccine and in particular, on those mouse trials.)

In the following video interview excerpt on Twitter, the inventor of the PCR test, Kary Mullis, says Dr. Fauci is a liar and not qualified for the position he holds:

Christopher ✝️ ☂️ on Twitter: "“Dr. Fauci knows nothing.” According to Kary Mullis, the inventor of PCR. He sadly died in 2019 in a car crash. So he wasn’t around to call Fauci on his bs. https://t.co/1zC37R2nen" / Twitter

Text of Mullis’ comments:

 “Guys like Fauci get up there and start talking, you know, he doesn’t know anything really about anything and I’d say that to his face. Nothing. The man thinks you can take a blood sample and stick it in an electron microscope and if it’s got a virus in there you’ll know it. He doesn’t understand electron microscopy and he doesn’t understand medicine and he should not be in a position like he’s in. Most of those guys up there on the top are just total administrative people and they don’t know anything about what’s going on in the body. You know, those guys have got an agenda, which is not what we would like them to have being that we pay for them to take care of our health in some way. They’ve got a personal kind of agenda. They make up their own rules as they go. They change them when they want to. And they smugly, like Tony Fauci does not mind going on television in front of the people who pay his salary and lie directly into the camera,”~ Kary Mullis

Where the Covid-19 vaccines are concerned, we’ve been denied informed consent which is required for us to balance the risks versus the benefits of having the vaccine.

All benefits of the vaccine are exaggerated because the spike protein is not specific to Covid-19; we’ve probably already encountered pathogens that caused our bodies to produce the spike proteins triggered by the vaccine. The benefits of the vaccine are non existant because the vaccine is predicated on fake vaccine trials and false positives etc.

The risks of having the vaccine are deleted, purged, and ridiculed as disinformation. Even as the CDC’s VAERS database shows the Covid vaccines are notably at the top of some key observed ‘event categories’ (ER visits, life threatening reactions, Deaths) out of 93 vaccines in just 2 months into their administration.

Silencing the discussion of risk, and therefore denying us informed consent violates the primary tennent of the Nuremberg Code of 1947.

Nuremberg Code: Suppressed Information About the Covid-19 Vaccine' | Vol 01 Date: 03/20/2021 (freerepublic.com)

They’ve lied to lock us down and force us to wear useless masks.

MEDIA BLACKOUT: Thousands of Doctors and Scientists Have Come Out Against Fauci’s Lockdowns Including a Nobel Prize-Winning Biophysicist

Is anyone still hoping that the tightening noose and assault on our rights and our bodies is suddenly going to stop, or better yet, improve? Is it logical to hope that, after telling us to expect that our lives will never be the same and we must henceforth live from vaccination, to vaccination, a life of masked social distancing, the vaccines will actually be a product of their (non existent) integrity and good will or that the vaccines will be worse than all measures leading up to it?

They want to hurt us, to kill us. They still won't allow us to use safe, FDA approved treatments for Covid, insisting we die without it instead in order to drive us to the vaccines. Is that not the obvious conclusion of the unending series of lies driving us like livestock through a maze of narrowing chutes toward enslavement and mandatory vaccinations?


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To: bagster

bagster wrote: “Here’s the thing. These ‘conspiracy theorists’, as you call them, are trained and highly educated experts on the subject from places like Harvard, MIT, and Cambridge. Are you telling me that these people are all ‘conspiracy theorists’? Or are they cultists? Or both.”

Perhaps they are well-educated but that doesn’t mean they’re right. There are far more medical professionals, some from those schools, who believe those conspiracy theorists and cultists, you put so much faith in, are misguided and doing great harm with their misinformation.

But, here’s the bottom line. I’ve had my shots. You haven’t. I know I have little to fear from the virus. You can only hope your Vitamin D supplements protect you. Good luck.


81 posted on 03/24/2021 2:43:35 PM PDT by DugwayDuke (Most pick the expert who says the things they agree with.)
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To: House Atreides
Jeez, you say you “refuse to be gaslighted by false statistics and fear mongering” yet you simply accept ANYTHING that agrees with your opinion. This thread is a prime example.

Incorrect, Harkonnen. There are actually people who examine data and THEN form an opinion. I'm one of those people. These unique people also have the ability to examine data from opposing viewpoints and modify their opinions, which is a skill that you lack.

You must stop assuming that people that disagree with you and the commonly held and seeming prevalent opinion are idiots incapable of thought.

Like I've said previously, I have retained a PHD in Human Behavior and Psychology from the University of Life, and my expert opinion (I've been studying you for a while now), you are hardly one to accuse someone else of poor thinking skills.

In fact, you are on the low side of bright. This is my professional diagnosis.

But I will congratulate you on making a post longer than three sentences that does not contain the words 'vomit' and 'jihad' (I'm just guessing, I didn't read the whole hot mess).

#HotMessHarkonnen

***UPDATE***

After sifting through your illiterate post, it seems you did include both 'vomit' and 'jihad', and for bonus points you tossed in a 'vomitus'.

I apologize for giving you too much credit, broken record boy.

You may go now.


82 posted on 03/24/2021 2:50:30 PM PDT by bagster ("Even bad men love their mamas".)
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To: DugwayDuke
Over 500,000 dead.

Someone will eventually tease out if there are 500,000 more deaths than usual. That was an obvious thing during the Black Death, for example.

83 posted on 03/24/2021 2:51:31 PM PDT by Stentor
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To: bagster
I think you shoulda concluded that false positives are uncommon WITH YOUR SISTER-IN-LAW.

LOL.

84 posted on 03/24/2021 2:56:52 PM PDT by Stentor
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To: DugwayDuke
Perhaps they are well-educated but that doesn’t mean they’re right.

The correlation to that theory is, the scientists you base your faith in are also well-educated but that doesn't mean they're right. Getting government grants and being on t.v. does not confer rightness.

But what it does do, is make you beholden to that grant money and with fame comes money....and chicks.

So there is that.

The real bottom line is, your people have motivation, both political and monetarily (and job security) to skew.

And that's what they do and that's what you have attached your wagon to.

It comes from a certain naivete and lots of indoctrination over a lifetime.

Its almost not your fault.

#ThoseYouTrustTheMost

But, here’s the bottom line. I’ve had my shots. You haven’t.

a.) Like a good sheep should (say that three times fast).

b.) Ping me when the web feet start happening.

c.) You have no idea what I have or haven't done.

I know I have little to fear from the virus.

No you don't. Thinking and knowing are not the same.

You can only hope your Vitamin D supplements protect you.

Don't take 'em. Don't take anything or use any precautions. I'm a freeborn man of the USA and I fear no evil, though I walk through the valley of the shadow of death.

But you live your life in fear, if that suits you.

Good luck.

Thanks, pal. Y tu tambien.


85 posted on 03/24/2021 3:04:27 PM PDT by bagster ("Even bad men love their mamas".)
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To: bagster; Jan_Sobieski; ransomnote

“Incorrect, Harkonnen. There are actually people who examine data and THEN form an opinion. I’m one of those people. These unique people also have the ability to examine data from opposing viewpoints and modify their opinions, which is a skill that you lack.

You must stop assuming that people that disagree with you and the commonly held and seeming prevalent opinion are idiots incapable of thought.”
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So, bagster, since you are “one of those people”, perhaps you can answer the simple (but essential to you clear thinkers) but UNANSWERED question I posed in post 79 above?

Buehler? Buehler?


86 posted on 03/24/2021 3:04:29 PM PDT by House Atreides
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To: House Atreides
...(P)erhaps you can answer the simple (but essential) question....

No I can't. I don't do science (like you). I'm H.R. (University of Life, remember?).

If anybody cares about what you say (doubtful, considering your nasty tone) enough to respond to your question, I'm very sure they will dismantle your argument as its based on a house of sand.


87 posted on 03/24/2021 3:10:03 PM PDT by bagster ("Even bad men love their mamas".)
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To: Brian Griffin

Working? I doubt it, ALL virus outbreaks die out after running their course. It’s spring, normally the time. Absolutely NO evidence the shots ( “ vaccines ”) are causing immunity like a genuine vaccine does.


88 posted on 03/24/2021 3:10:11 PM PDT by delta7
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To: bagster

35000 people were dying from something. We can call it COVID -19 . You can be obtuse all you want you fully understood what was meant


89 posted on 03/24/2021 3:14:04 PM PDT by cyberstoic (I )
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To: BeauBo
Although there is a lag time for the immunity to fully manifest after vaccination, and between new cases and deaths; Crushing the COVID death rate should be pretty well be baked into the cake by the end of April - and is already, to a significant degree.

I'd like to express my heartfelt appreciation to all those who will make it unnecessary for me to follow in the footsteps of three people I know who have died within days to weeks after taking the shots. Sick of dragging my ill fitting suit out of the closet.

90 posted on 03/24/2021 3:19:47 PM PDT by Stentor
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To: House Atreides
And, by the way, assuming that we FReepers who believe in TRUMP’S VACCINES also agree with the endless business closures, lockdowns, school closures, mask mandates, etc., etc., is an insult.

It is, and a well deserved one.

The two things are connected. All that mess you're talking about is held as a cudgel over people in order to MAKE people take this untested, unproven so-called vaccine that isn't a vaccine.

You brain has been washed to think that you may not have your freedom back until you do what Uncle Sugar tells you to do. Fear and a thirst for freedom are powerful motivators. I almost feel sorry for the sheep.

Because, like that other guy, its almost not your fault. Some people will grovel and lick the master's feet just for a taste of freedom.

Other people fight for it.

Which one are you?

#GiediPrime

#TheVaxMustFlow


91 posted on 03/24/2021 3:27:17 PM PDT by bagster ("Even bad men love their mamas".)
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To: cyberstoic
35000 people were dying from something.

Did they want to live forever?

Pro-tip: People die. This is not a new invention. Hell, I might even die.

Maybe.

p.s. I'm not 'obtuse'. I'm in shape. Do you even lift, bro?


92 posted on 03/24/2021 3:31:40 PM PDT by bagster ("Even bad men love their mamas".)
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To: bagster

“...You brain has been washed to think that you may not have your freedom back until you do what Uncle Sugar tells you to do....”
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Dude, you know absolutely NOTHING ABOUT ME or my brain. My wife and I have taken the Moderna vaccine based our own INFORMED decisions and not by government diktat or fear. When I’m out I will rarely have a mask on unless I’m going into a business where they have on their door a “please wear a mask when entering” sign. And then, as a curtesy, I usually mask up. Although I have to admit having an occasional impulsive thought that I should shift to “Bagster mode” and put on my Long Ranger mask (yes, I do actually have one). I haven’t yielded to that impulse yet but am probably getting closer to doing so.

If you search my postings you’ll see that I WILL tend to address what I know are deceptive posts meant to mislead. I typically will address the deception by asking relevant challenge questions. I rarely get knowledgeable answers and frequently get NO Answer.

I’ve searched about 4 pages of your posts and see that you seem to specialize in insults and snark. Try to make objective, factual posts occasionally... you might learn to like that approach. But you probably won’t. At least buy and wear a Long Ranger mask.


93 posted on 03/24/2021 4:03:03 PM PDT by House Atreides
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To: semimojo

If I go to the actual study, and read Figure 2 graph C, it says 149 more unvaccinated got hospitalized with Covid. Out of 596,618 people. So we should run out and get an experimental aborted-fetus-tested shot for a .025% chance of being hospitalized?!?! Am I reading that figure correctly?

This is similar to the Pfizer Phase 3: 8 extra out of 21500 = .037%.


94 posted on 03/24/2021 4:03:31 PM PDT by ReaganGeneration2
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To: House Atreides
Dude, you know absolutely NOTHING ABOUT ME or my brain.

Exhibit A: And then, as a curtesy.

Exhibit B: ...and put on my Long Ranger mask.

Exhibit C: At least buy and wear a Long Ranger mask.

(these are not typos)

No, I think I got you figured.

I typically will address the deception by asking relevant challenge questions. I rarely get knowledgeable answers and frequently get NO Answer.

There are two reasons for that. One, your constant abusive posts. Telling somebody they are 'vomiting' on the forum and conducing 'jihad' over, and over, and over, marks you as a simpleton.

And two, the level of your questions is not at the level of the conversation.

Many of these 'sciencey' guys that post are faux medical, cut n paste guys, but some of them have actual expertise. While others are ACTUALLY educating themselves by digging deep into ACTUAL research. Ransomnote is one of those. And she has the ability to understand it in conjunction with other research and explain it in layman's terms

I know you don't know this (how could you), but imagine the time consuming tedium it takes for her to educate herself on a subject (any subject) from the comfort of her own home, compile it, present it in easy to understand language, and present it here on FR.

And then here comes House Harkonnen, calling all that work 'vomit', accusing her of posting lies and cultish, conspiracy theories, and being an overall bad.

And what makes it worse is, you come to the table with nothing. No rebuttal. No data. No citations. Nothing. At least some of the other wrongos have presentable arguments.

So don't be amazed when the discourse doesn't come down to your level and respond to your feeble, elementary questions. The smarts are beyond that.

I, on the other hand, relish in the game. I will point out the illogic and weakness in an argument, if I can spot it. Like I said, I'm not in the science branch of the operation, strictly crowd control. And you definitely need controlling.

What I'd advise for you, is to listen more and talk less. You don't have a lot to say, but do have a lot to learn.

Good day, FRiend. I'll let you know when you can return to House Atreides when you deserve it. Until then, you must remain...

#HouseHarkonnen


95 posted on 03/24/2021 4:45:03 PM PDT by bagster ("Even bad men love their mamas".)
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To: BeauBo

The trials did not rely on PCR tests, (which you sometimes call PRC).

The literature says they rely on the PCR test and Covid-19 symtoms. That's circular logic. They can have one symptom and no idea what caused it, and then be given an invalid Covid-19 PCR test to "confirm" that one symptom is Covid-19

So this whole post is not relevant. They are based on comparing those vaccinated against unvaccinated controls, for symptoms, hospitalization and death, as well as test results (which does include PCR tests, as well as antibody tests)

Did you read this part?

"How can researchers identify the cause of the Covid-19 symptoms recorded in their trial data?"

They can record respiratory symptoms but they won't know what illness caused those symptoms. 

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“Given that the CDC says samples of isolated Covid-19 virus has never been “available” to researchers, how can the vaccine trials prove the efficacy of the vaccines against the Covid-19 virus?”

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From exposure to virus in the wild, like everyone else (including the control group).

They don't have an accurate test to perform in the wild or in a lab.

Those vaccinated are dramatically less likely to develop COVID symptoms, be hospitalized or die - independent of PCR testing.

Those are the metrics of effectiveness.

They have no scientific basis to call those symptoms "Covid". THere are many, many respiratory illnesses. From the reading, they can have 1 symptom to be determined to have active Covid-19. That one symptom is not unique to Covid and there's no test that identifies what caused that symptom.


96 posted on 03/24/2021 5:12:44 PM PDT by ransomnote (IN GOD WE TRUST)
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To: ReaganGeneration2
...it says 149 more unvaccinated got hospitalized with Covid. Out of 596,618 people.

You're missing the important part. That difference happened over 6 weeks while the vaccinated people were building immunity.

At the end of that period there were no more new hospitalizations in the vaccinated group while in the other group they would continue to grow unabated. Over time the difference would be thousands and eventually tens of thousands.

I agree this would be a lot of fuss for a 6 week pandemic, but that isn't what we have.

97 posted on 03/24/2021 5:16:40 PM PDT by semimojo
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To: ransomnote

I like your tag line. Bttt and them some.


98 posted on 03/24/2021 5:20:00 PM PDT by CJ Wolf (wwg1wga Godwins; what is scarier than offensive words? Not being able to say them.. )
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To: Stentor

Someone will eventually tease out if there are 500,000 more deaths than usual. That was an obvious thing during the Black Death, for example.
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The number I’ve seen “teased out” was around 175,000. I submit that number is a result of prohibiting sick people from being treated for their illness, initial use of ventilators which were too aggressive for infected lung tissue, closing down many diagnostic/surgical and other medical centers for Covid mandates, forcing sick people into nursing homes, infections resulting from masks, people afraid to go to the hospital for their diagnotic appointments or medical emergencies for fear of Covid-19 (e.g., heart attack), and suicide/drug and alcohol abuse due to job loss/isolation from friends/family while constantly bombarded with content and mandates telling them their lives will never be the same, never go back to normal. I’ve also heard child abuse/violence has risen as a result of the despair of lockdowns.


99 posted on 03/24/2021 5:20:36 PM PDT by ransomnote (IN GOD WE TRUST)
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BeauBo just got told.


100 posted on 03/24/2021 5:22:40 PM PDT by bagster ("Even bad men love their mamas".)
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