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Secession Is A Radical Solution That Sadly Doesn’t Seem So Radical Any More
Flopping Aces ^ | 03-02-21 | Vince

Posted on 03/02/2021 8:19:53 AM PST by Starman417

Some things in life are constant. My entire life America has been one of those things.  Despite Vietnam, Watergate, Iran Contra, the Dot Com bubble, 9/11, Hurricane Katrina, the Great Recession and more, the United States has been constant.

America, rife with internal conflicts, differing opinions and more than a few lying politicians was always the land of freedom, the land of opportunity, and the land of endless possibilities.

America and freedom were like the earth below us and the sun and the stars above… constants.

But constant is relative…  Wait long enough and the earth will be gone. Wait long enough and the sun and the stars will be gone. So too with nations. Ronald Reagan knew this.  He said:  Freedom is never more than one generation away from extinction.  That generation is upon us and we are most certainly watching in real time as American freedom is extinguished, and with it America.

America was fundamentally built on freedoms guaranteed by our Constitution.  Freedom of speech, religion, the right to peaceably to assemble and to petition the Government.  But it’s not just the Constitution itself that makes America.  It’s ideas that flow from it and our history.  Free markets, private property, entrepreneurship, 4th of July, baseball, high school debate team, cars, suburbs, bake sales, Thanksgiving dinner, spelling bees, Pledge of Allegiance, Christmas antlers,  the National Anthem and more.

All of that, both the actual rights and the ideas beyond them all are under attack in America of 2021.  Whether petty tyrants using the Covid hysteria to eviscerate our freedoms of religion and assembly and to crush our businesses or social media oligarchs shutting down debate in the 21st century town square or education departments causing Martin Luther King to spin in his grave as they abandon his dream, the America of Norman Rockwell paintings is being torn apart idea by idea by idea.

This past summer Americans were helpless as cities from coast to coast burned in response to the killing of George Floyd and they were told the violence was understandable and “mostly peaceful protests”.  This past year many Americans saw their lives upended as their jobs or businesses were destroyed, their families turned into strangers and churches and schools turned into ghost towns as a result of a disease with a 99.99% survival rate, but we were told that America was facing the gravest public health threat in history.  Now we’re watching as children are taught that math is racist, that hard work is racist, and there is no difference between boys and girls and we’re told that all of this is healthy and reasonable.

At the same time, we’ve watched our history upended as we see monuments to our heroes, from Columbus to Washington to Grant and Lincoln to Booker T. Washington to Reagan toppled in the name of racism!  We’ve watched the indoctrination of grievance as the defining characteristic of American life.  We’ve witnessed the politicization of every single aspect of American society, where everything from sitcoms to sports to sex no longer have intrinsic value on their own, but rather have become mere Rorschach tests for measuring one’s degree of submission to the new normal.

America has become a nation where objective reality no longer matters, where the free exchange of ideas is no longer allowed and where the exercise of an individual’s rights are tolerated only to the degree that they do not hurt the feelings of some aggrieved victim class.

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1 posted on 03/02/2021 8:19:53 AM PST by Starman417
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To: Starman417

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2 posted on 03/02/2021 8:23:19 AM PST by familyop
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To: Starman417

“Secession is a radical solution that sadly doesn’t seem so radical any more.”

And it is entirely moral, constitutional, and in keeping with the highest traditions of our founding fathers.


3 posted on 03/02/2021 8:25:32 AM PST by jeffersondem
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To: Starman417

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https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=mZBP9Dau590


4 posted on 03/02/2021 8:26:13 AM PST by familyop
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To: Starman417

Leftists/Marxists are a religious cult, with the power of the US deep state behind them.

Does anyone really believe they will say “well, TX and OK, sorry it didn’t work out. I hope we can stay friends. Best of luck to you!”

No, they will seek to dominate, destroy and control until they are destroyed.

Any talk in any state of secession is going to bring an internal “color revolution.”


5 posted on 03/02/2021 8:30:32 AM PST by PGR88
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To: Starman417
This past summer Americans were helpless as cities from coast to coast burned in response to the killing of George Floyd...

We weren't "helpless" We just decided not to do anything.

6 posted on 03/02/2021 8:30:57 AM PST by ShadowAce (Linux - The Ultimate Windows Service Pack )
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To: Starman417

Snapshot of what our Founding Fathers did - updated for the current situation:

The path to freedom, if we must, is first thru the establishment of a new ship of state - by way of forming a new, the Third Continental Congress.

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At all times, even in revolution, the construction of our forefathers’ efforts was to ensure lawful process and exercise authority under the rule of law. For example, contrary to the hysteria perpetrated in the “liberal press,” about the militia, the colonial militia were at all times answerable to civilian authority, in a chain of command reaching down from the Continental Congress and down from the Provincial Congresses of the colonies, often times through what were called Committees of Safety.

There is much in our American Heritage, in which we must seek to know and understand the construction of our country and Constitution, so that where we are going, we will ensure that we do so by a lawful process, and always keep upon the path toward our principle objectives: to restore our Constitution and rule of law over government ... instead of embarking upon a sea of rage because of our current unhappiness.

It will take all of our self-discipline, to not wander from the path. The secret of George Washington’s success, according to him, when asked by a correspondent, after the President’s retirement from public office, was this: “...the straight line.”

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Sir Winston Churchill, upon the occasion of a visit to an American university after World War II, and feeling the infirmities of his age, was asked to give a speech; but he had to wait out a lengthy introduction.

At the end of this praise, Churchill stood up and approached the podium; and then said, no more than, “Never, never, never, never quit.”

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You must not let go of our democratic-republic [principles]. You must not be “rattled.”

The Founding Fathers and Framers set up a structure for a government in waiting, the Continental Congress. During that decade prior to Lexington and Concord, the colonialists absorbed the principles of law, some of which were discussed in the “letters of correspondence.” There is much that the people knew -— enough people -— which is what will be needed if we are to win.

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Edmund Burke said, in his March 22, 1775 “Speech on Conciliation With America”:

Permit me, Sir, to add another circumstance in our colonies, which contributes no mean part towards the growth and effect of this untractable spirit. I mean their education. In no country perhaps in the world is the law so general a study...

This study renders men acute, inquisitive, dexterous, prompt in attack, ready in defence, full of resources. In other countries, the people, more simple and of a less mercurial cast, judge of an ill principle in government only by an actual grievance; here they anticipate the evil, and judge of the pressure of the grievance by the badness of the principle. They augur misgovernment at a distance; and snuff the approach of tyranny in every tainted breeze.

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The Third Continental Congress

To consist of 2 representatives from each state.

Those 2 (per state) are chosen by the RED CONSERVATIVE COUNTIES of their respective states.

The RED Conservative counties of each state, to have themselves chosen 2 representative - who convene with the other sets of 2 representives at the state level.

*That* state level convention for the purpose of choosing the 2 representives, who then proceed to the meeting of the Third Continental Congress.


7 posted on 03/02/2021 8:33:57 AM PST by linMcHlp
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To: jeffersondem

True. The founding fathers actually anticipated secession.

Some New England states discussed secession, before the Southern states actually did so years later.

The wisdom of the 50 states being divided up into at least 5 confederacies would have prevented a lot of our insane foreign wars, as well as kept the cancer of socialism at bay.

Secession today is a very real solution.


8 posted on 03/02/2021 8:38:38 AM PST by BrexitBen
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To: PGR88

There was a study back in the Obama Administration that found that most blue states would be happy to do exactly that, let Texas, OK and much of the ‘flyover’ states go. Something like 50% of the US population.

All you have to do is convince them that letting Texas go will ensure Democrat domination at the Federal level. QED.


9 posted on 03/02/2021 8:49:12 AM PST by Spktyr (Overwhelmingly superior firepower and the willingness to use it is the only proven peace solution.)
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To: PGR88

Er, 58%, not 50.


10 posted on 03/02/2021 8:49:59 AM PST by Spktyr (Overwhelmingly superior firepower and the willingness to use it is the only proven peace solution.)
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To: Starman417

It’s safe to say at this point that FedGov has zero moral legitimacy and that secession and a realignment of the various states to better suit their own interests is definitely legitimate and right.


11 posted on 03/02/2021 9:37:04 AM PST by Yashcheritsiy (I'd rather have one king 3000 miles away that 3000 kings one mile away)
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To: PGR88

And this is why state govts need to be supported, even if they have to shoot “protestors.”


12 posted on 03/02/2021 9:38:55 AM PST by Yashcheritsiy (I'd rather have one king 3000 miles away that 3000 kings one mile away)
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To: Starman417

Im all for it!


13 posted on 03/02/2021 9:44:51 AM PST by FreshPrince (P )
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To: Starman417

From the article:

“...America has become a bizzarro world where everything from science to math and history to law are no longer constants upon which society rests but rather malleable frameworks for the destruction of everything that does not comport with todays’ woke mores.

And so it is thorough this looking glass one wonders what is the solution? In 2016 Americans went to the ballot box and said they’d had enough of the perversion of everything ostensibly American into a cancer on the history of the world and elected a leader who was unabashedly patriotic. After four years of constant, relentless lies about said leader they returned to the ballot box and reelected the man who was seeking to upend the demonization of America, only to have the election stolen under the cover of the night. That theft was enabled by the fiction of an existential threat to life on earth posed by a novel virus. Americans went to the ballot box and their will was thwarted.

Rather than set the nation afire, jilted voters looked to the courts for a Constitutional remedy. A split Supreme Court had demurred from solving the problem before the election but after the election had the opportunity to revisit the question before the votes were certified. Again they demurred. Once the fraudulent administration was in place the Court had one last opportunity to address the fraud once and for all, and again chose not to act.

So we have a circumstance where citizens go to the polls only to watch those votes stolen. They then petition the nation’s highest court for redress and are rebuffed. As they watch the cabal who perpetrated the theft work to institutionalize the very tools with which they purloined the election in the first place, what are citizens who revere the Constitution and love liberty supposed to do?

Do they stand by and watch as what’s left of their country is taken over by those for whom freedom and rule of law are simply obstacles to the permanent domination over the nation? Become slaves on a modern day plantation where Silicon Valley, Wall Street and Washington are the masters and the woke anarchists are the overseers who keep everyone in line? Riot in the streets like BLM and Antifa have done so often?

Or they could pursue secession, where the woke are welcome to the coasts while the heartland and the south choose freedom and the Constitution… It is indeed a radical notion, but the constant of the free America most of us knew is gone so perhaps the time has come… When all conventional Constitutional avenues have been impeded, when opponents seek to eliminate citizens’ Constitutional rights and thwart the language of the document itself, what other choice is left? We can accept the slow death of the Republic as the gangrene of wokness starves the body politic of the blood of freedom, or amputate the cancerous limbs and allow freedom to flow once again through the veins of a nation defined by liberty. The left has made the radical normal. Secession is a radical solution that sadly doesn’t seem so radical any more.”


14 posted on 03/02/2021 9:52:21 AM PST by WildHighlander57 ((WildHighlander57 returning after lurking since 2000))
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To: Starman417

Be careful what you wish for. A month ago Texas was all like “We’re going to secede.” Two weeks ago Texas was shivering in the dark and screaming for federal aid.


15 posted on 03/02/2021 9:55:24 AM PST by DoodleDawg
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To: Starman417
Secession is a radical solution which can easily lead to open armed conflict. Accordingly, it should remain an absolute last resort. A less radical solution involves nullification of illegal executive orders, and refusing to recognize laws passed as the result of the rigged 2020 election. Not just the presidency was affected by that.

One extension of that approach would be to refuse to cooperate with the feds on issues involving revenue. Large state like Texas and Florida contribute more to the federal government than they get back, and this would make a point. In the stolen battle ground states, voters should understand that the dysfunctional Dem cities stole the election to sponge money from productive people. Similar uncooperative acts by the people paying for this mess have great potential to effect change.
16 posted on 03/02/2021 10:09:39 AM PST by Dr. Franklin ("A republic, if you can keep it.")
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To: Starman417

What will we call what’s left after the real America peels away from the “Union”?


17 posted on 03/02/2021 10:10:37 AM PST by Bonemaker (invictus maneo)
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To: linMcHlp

“In no country perhaps in the world is the law so general a study...

This study renders men acute, inquisitive, dexterous, prompt in attack, ready in defence, full of resources...”

Translation: lawyers are a royal pain in the ass and the bane of our existence.


18 posted on 03/02/2021 10:15:59 AM PST by Bonemaker (invictus maneo)
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To: Starman417

No to secession. No to wasting time discussing.


19 posted on 03/02/2021 10:20:39 AM PST by drellberg
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To: ShadowAce

“We weren’t “helpless” We just decided not to do anything.”

Collectively we are not made of the same stuff as our forebears. They had to be..and were..more badass than the British, indians, Germans and Japanese in order to survive.


20 posted on 03/02/2021 10:23:14 AM PST by Bonemaker (invictus maneo)
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