See Mars Like Never Before! NASA's Perseverance Rover Sends New Video and Images of the Red Planet

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[srmanuel]

NASA has a live broadcast going with some incredible video of the Perseverance Landing with cameras recording everything from different angles....

[CJ Wolf]

They would actually get about 10 acres each. ;)

[dragnet2]

I vote we send everyone there and see how all that works out for them.

[dragnet2]

Plenty of room for more windmills!

[CJ Wolf]

Maybe just all the liberals.

[caww]

.....”hearing the sound of a wind gust on the surface of mars was mind blowing”.......

It sure is! I was spellbound , and with understanding here I sat in my home, (with earphones of course), listening to the wind on another planet........in the same way NASA heard!

A huge event...reminding me of when we landed on the moon and just as thrilling! Probably more even!

[Getready]

I have looked up the land mass figure in my world atlas by brittanica.
8 bill x 500 sq. Ft = 4 x 10^12...sq. ft.
An acre is about 44,000 sq feet
Divide 4 x 10^12 sq ft by 44,000 sq feet /acre and that is about 91,000,000 acres.
A square mile is 640 acres...
Divide 91,000,000 by 640 = 140, 000 square miles
Cali = 164,000 sq mile,
Oregon= 100,000 sq miles
Washington state = 71,000 sq miles
Total about= 334,000 square miles.
Discount rivers and mountains...well you get the picture...but this is end to end...double each persons space and that 1000 sq ft per person = 280,000 square miles. Now stretch it out for roads..infrastructure, other necessary societal functions, like sitcoms, and celebrities and my guess is that 1/2 of u.s. would be more than enough.
Total land mass area of 50 states is about 3.8 million sq. Miles...so we got lots of room..
Now if we could build two story buildings...and genetically engineered everyone to be 1/2 size...that would cut need of land by factor of 4!!!. Just kidding bout the shrinking job....I am sure this would not work...due to the evil in mankind
..plus the possibility that a giant asteroid could destroy the population if it hits the right place...not to mention floods...earthquakes, fires...wars...

[poconopundit]

Hey OneVike, I enjoyed reading some of your many good columns on your FR profile page.

[cuban leaf]

I'm not aware of any. I used to use photobucket, but that ended.

BTW, I find it peculiar that it is impossible to find this image anywhre - or even a Nasa site where I can peruse through all of their images by image number and metadata.

The reason I kept this photo is because It was so incredible (and the place I saw it gave the nasa image metadata) that I actually went to the nasa site and searched on the metadata and the image was genuine.

The next step was to look at it from all angles to see if I wasn't just suffering from pareidolia. I couldn't come up with any natural explanation so I saved it.

And what is odd is that I now can't find it anywhere on the interwebs. I'll post this from a public facebook page, let me know if you can see it. The image is somewhere around 300-500 meters end to end:

[cuban leaf]

Here is a wider view with no enhancement:

[Democrat = party of treason]

“What does the Bible have to do with space travel or doing anything that we can to make sure our species survives?”

Everything. The Bible already lays out the future events for this particular creation, and NOTHING mankind can “do” assures anything anyway.

[wastedyears]

Spread this around.

[cuban leaf]

I think it is very possible that “this creation” is the earth.

I have an hypothesis that is long winded but can be broken down into a simple analogy.

Walmart has tens of thousands of stores. Each store has a manager that, as far as the employees and customers are concerned, is the owner himself.

The bible says we are God’s “Image” or “imagers” on earth. That is, as far as creation is concerned, we are his employees for his kingdom on earth, and the manager is Jesus and, as far as we are concerned, he is God. i.e. if we’ve seen him, we’ve seen God.

So, Earth is but ONE walmart and Jesus is but one “God, as far as we are concerned. He didn’t die for demons. He didn’t die for goats or ET. He died for mankind on earth.

And if you read scripture carefully, comparing versions and hebrew and greek to our modern english translations, I have yet to find a verse that skewers this hypothesis. The bible, its stories, its promises, and everything is about the earth and mankind on earth and, perhaps, our solar system. But it does not necessarily speak to any of the other stars, planets, solar systems, galaxies (which seem to be infinite in number, BTW).

I’m not saying I believe this. I’m saying it’s possible.

Earth is one “Wal-Mart”, but there may be millions, billions, or an infinite number.

[Democrat = party of treason]

“I think it is very possible that “this creation” is the earth. I have an hypothesis that is long winded but can be broken down into a simple analogy. Walmart has tens of thousands of stores. Each store has a manager that, as far as the employees and customers are concerned, is the owner himself. The bible says we are God’s “Image” or “imagers” on earth. That is, as far as creation is concerned, we are his employees for his kingdom on earth, and the manager is Jesus and, as far as we are concerned, he is God. i.e. if we’ve seen him, we’ve seen God. So, Earth is but ONE walmart and Jesus is but one “God, as far as we are concerned. He didn’t die for demons. He didn’t die for goats or ET. He died for mankind on earth. And if you read scripture carefully, comparing versions and hebrew and greek to our modern english translations, I have yet to find a verse that skewers this hypothesis. The bible, its stories, its promises, and everything is about the earth and mankind on earth and, perhaps, our solar system. But it does not necessarily speak to any of the other stars, planets, solar systems, galaxies (which seem to be infinite in number, BTW). I’m not saying I believe this. I’m saying it’s possible. Earth is one “Wal-Mart”, but there may be millions, billions, or an infinite number.”

So when the Bible says God created “all things”, you are thinking it refers to “this one God” and all things are “this one heavens and earth”? I have talked to people before that had the notion that the God of the Bible might be God over more than one creation before, but you have taken that idea to a new extreme. I don’t think you can constrain the God that created “all things seen and unseen” to being “one God of many”.

Frankly, I was talking about “this creation” as in the present creation that we live in, as opposed to whatever the creation was like here on earth before the one we are presently living in now. That is the only theory I have found that is a viable alternative to young earth creationism.

[cuban leaf]

So when the Bible says God created “all things”, you are thinking it refers to “this one God” and all things are “this one heavens and earth”? I have talked to people before that had the notion that the God of the Bible might be God over more than one creation before, but you have taken that idea to a new extreme. I don’t think you can constrain the God that created “all things seen and unseen” to being “one God of many”.

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What I’m saying is that God is Yahweh is the one God over all things, but that Jesus is God “as far as we’re concerned” an he’s God over this part of creation (our solar system).

I’m not saying that I believe that. Rather, I’m suggesting that such a reality would not violate what the bible says about God, Jesus and us.

Thing is, it appears there are two realms. The physical realm in which we live and the spiritual realm which we also call “heaven”. It is quite possible that the “new heaven and new earth is talking about the surface and atmosphere of THIS earth after it is scorched by fire before the new Jerusalem comes down. And we will all, in new bodies, live in THIS universe, but on a planet ruled by Jesus.

Then again, maybe I’ve read too much science fiction. :)

[cuban leaf]

That is the only theory I have found that is a viable alternative to young earth creationism.

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Well, here is another “hypothesis” I came up with when I realized that when the bible is interpreted to say “eternity” or “forever and ever”, a more precise interpretation often is “for the age” or “ages upon ages”.

So, I use this analogy: In the art world, sometimes a painting on canvas is covered over with white paint, and another painting applied. And this can happen more than once. So that if you peel away at the corner you can find a painting under the exposed one, and maybe a painting under that one, and a painting under that one.

So, regarding the ages in the bible, we have the period of time between Genesis 1:2 and Genesis 1:3 that could be billions of years and many, many ages. And after the earth is scorched and the new jerusalem comes down afterward in Revelation, there could be many ages to come.

And when we find dinosaur bones, we are literally looking at one of the other “painting” layers on the canvas called “earth”. Our general age began with flooding (”his face over the deep” language, not the “great” flood) and ends in fire, but there could be hundreds of ages that existed before that and hundreds to come. The Cambrian explosion being but one of them.

So our age “the current surface condition of the earth” is 7,000 or so years old. But the planet itself is much older and exposes to modern man the leftovers from previous ages when we know where to dig.

Again, the bible does not explicitly support this, but it doesn’t seem to contradict it either, and it would explain a lot of what is in the bible.

Now we see as through a glass darkly, but then, face to face. There is so much being hidden from us. And thanks to modern discoveries, our imagination starts reeling about who God really is and what he is truly capable of - not from an ancient shepherd’s imagination but from the imagination of those who expose themself to modern science fiction, which is based somewhat on modern science knowledge. The more we know about God, the more we know we don’t know about God. :)

[Democrat = party of treason]

“What I’m saying is that God is Yahweh is the one God over all things, but that Jesus is God “as far as we’re concerned” an he’s God over this part of creation (our solar system).
I’m not saying that I believe that. Rather, I’m suggesting that such a reality would not violate what the bible says about God, Jesus and us.”

But, Jesus IS God, just the Holy Spirit IS God. What you are dividing up is indeed violating what the Bible says.

“Thing is, it appears there are two realms. The physical realm in which we live and the spiritual realm which we also call “heaven”.”

I don’t think that the spiritual realm IS “heaven”. If that were the case, then Hell would be part OF Heaven. I think we live in a physical realm surrounded by a spiritual realm and that Heaven is simply a place within that spiritual realm.

“It is quite possible that the “new heaven and new earth is talking about the surface and atmosphere of THIS earth after it is scorched by fire before the new Jerusalem comes down. And we will all, in new bodies, live in THIS universe, but on a planet ruled by Jesus.”

A “new heavens and earth” usually refers to the Universe as we know it. Of course, even modern scientists know that the Universe is made up of far more than we can actually see and detect physically.

[Democrat = party of treason]

“Well, here is another “hypothesis” I came up with when I realized that when the bible is interpreted to say “eternity” or “forever and ever”, a more precise interpretation often is “for the age” or “ages upon ages”. So, I use this analogy: In the art world, sometimes a painting on canvas is covered over with white paint, and another painting applied. And this can happen more than once. So that if you peel away at the corner you can find a painting under the exposed one, and maybe a painting under that one, and a painting under that one.

So, regarding the ages in the bible, we have the period of time between Genesis 1:2 and Genesis 1:3 that could be billions of years and many, many ages. And after the earth is scorched and the new jerusalem comes down afterward in Revelation, there could be many ages to come.

And when we find dinosaur bones, we are literally looking at one of the other “painting” layers on the canvas called “earth”. Our general age began with flooding (”his face over the deep” language, not the “great” flood) and ends in fire, but there could be hundreds of ages that existed before that and hundreds to come. The Cambrian explosion being but one of them. So our age “the current surface condition of the earth” is 7,000 or so years old. But the planet itself is much older and exposes to modern man the leftovers from previous ages when we know where to dig. Again, the bible does not explicitly support this, but it doesn’t seem to contradict it either, and it would explain a lot of what is in the bible. Now we see as through a glass darkly, but then, face to face. There is so much being hidden from us. And thanks to modern discoveries, our imagination starts reeling about who God really is and what he is truly capable of - not from an ancient shepherd’s imagination but from the imagination of those who expose themself to modern science fiction, which is based somewhat on modern science knowledge. The more we know about God, the more we know we don’t know about God. :)”

I do like the analogy of the painting somewhat. Creations that existed but are not seen in the present one unless digging into the old one. I think that the Revelation would more infer though that whatever the painting was at the end, the canvas is stripped clean of the previous ones and a completely new painting is created.

[cuban leaf]

I think that the Revelation would more infer though that whatever the painting was at the end, the canvas is stripped clean of the previous ones and a completely new painting is created.

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I agree. I think it does signify the end of this age and final arrival at the last one - the everlasting one.

[markman46]

the technological leap has been astounding, i remember sitting in the living room watching Neil Armstrong take the first step onto the moon in black n white live TV to watching live landing on Mars on youtube to watching a starship static fire live on youtube..

[caww]

Yes indeed! truly astounding.

Family member and I discussed it all last night. How amazing it is that we have seen these advances in our lifetime and live in the era that we have and still do.