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To: Vehmgericht
Vehmgericht: "Can you give me a direct quote where I advocate Nazi victory. "

I already did, in my post #141 I quoted your #137.
In it you say the Soviets were always the greater threat and US should have stayed out of WWII entirely.
That can only mean the Nazis would have won the war, in your scenario.

So, like I've said already, that's the first time I can remember seeing a poster on Free Republic openly advocating for a Nazi victory.
But then, possibly you know some trick of logic & language where the US stays out of WWII and yet somehow the Nazis are still defeated?

Vehmgericht: "That included giving them territory belonging to our ally China.
It included giving the half of Korea resulting in another war with 50,000 dead.
Read Diana West’s American Betrayal.
It will give you a more accurate perspective.
Please don’t accuse her of being a Nazi. "

If you claim that President Roosevelt "gave away" too much to Stalin's communists, I'd certainly agree -- it would have been much better had FDR struck better deals with "Uncle Joe" Stalin.
But as late as 1943, so we're told, Stalin was still trying to strike a separate peace deal with Hitler, which Hitler was still brushing aside.
Had any of Stalin's peace "feelers", or any of the late-war Nazi peace "feelers" born fruit, the US would have faced either increasing our army from 90 divisions to, potentially, over 200 divisions, with correspondingly higher casualties, and some loss of war-production or atom-bombing Germany in the summer of 1945, or striking a peace deal with the Nazis, or some combination.

Which brings up the question of A-bomb diplomacy -- you may remember that's what MacArthur wanted to do along the Yalu in North Korea, but President Truman fired him for it.

Not at all clear what Truman would have been up for in 1945, assuming the Soviets had made a separate peace with Hitler and the US was trying to win WWII in Europe by itself.
All of that sounds like "Nazi victory", or at least long term survival, to me.

So, do you have a scenario where the US stays out of WWII, Stalin makes a separate peace with Hitler and yet the Nazis are still somehow defeated?

170 posted on 12/17/2020 4:18:58 AM PST by BroJoeK ((a little historical perspective...) )
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To: BroJoeK

BroJoeK, If the US stayed out of the war the only result would be a Nazi victory. You don’t seem to have much imagination. There could have been a stalemate or a Communist victory. Your claim that I openly advocated for a Nazi victory is an attempt to discredit me. There is a direct quote of me advocating Nazi victory. Your “so we’re told” is not very reliable. We are told so many things that are not so. I don’t have “a scenario where the US stays out of WWII, Stalin makes a separate peace with Hitler and yet the Nazis are still somehow defeated.” Do you have a scenario where everyone holds hands and sing Kumbaya?” Lets deal with reality.


171 posted on 12/17/2020 7:19:36 PM PST by Vehmgericht (12)
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