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To: LibWhacker

This would be treason and make Trump the fascist the left claims he is. We are a nation of laws. If Trump can’t prove in a court of law that their was fraud then he needs to concede.


11 posted on 11/24/2020 6:48:35 AM PST by OIFVeteran
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To: OIFVeteran

You assume a court of law would actually follow the law. As anyone knows, this is foolish thinking.

Regardless of any court ruling, or lack thereof, President Trump has a legal obligation to follow the constitution. Taking these measures as outlined in this article is in no way treasonous.


13 posted on 11/24/2020 6:52:17 AM PST by Responsibility2nd (I will not rest until the American People have the honest vote count they deserve. DJT 11-07-20)
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To: OIFVeteran

I also believe he shouldn’t do it however it wouldn’t be treason and it would be following the law as written...

The point of the article was not just his options but full legal remedy outside the courts.


17 posted on 11/24/2020 7:00:24 AM PST by nevergore (I have a terrible rash on my covfefe....)
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To: OIFVeteran

“We are a nation of laws.”

Yes, and the democrats repeat that while all the time floutng those laws.

So, we have the potential of the president following the law just so the democrats can take power and destroy the Constitution that allowed them to take power. They have admitted that is their goal.

Something is out of kilter.


21 posted on 11/24/2020 7:06:30 AM PST by odawg
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To: OIFVeteran
How can it be treason if he's acting within the law?
Of the four provisions, the most recent and the most powerful is 10 USC § 253, which was written in 2006. This is the one that liberal pundits always forget to mention when they blab about Posse Comitatus and governors. It reads:
The President, by using the militia or the armed forces, or both, or by any other means, shall take such measures as he considers necessary to suppress, in a State, any insurrection, domestic violence, unlawful combination, or conspiracy, if it-

so hinders the execution of the laws of that State, and of the United States within the State, that any part or class of its people is deprived of a right, privilege, immunity, or protection named in the Constitution and secured by law, and the constituted authorities of that State are unable, fail, or refuse to protect that right, privilege, or immunity, or to give that protection; or

opposes or obstructs the execution of the laws of the United States or impedes the course of justice under those laws.


23 posted on 11/24/2020 7:08:30 AM PST by LibWhacker
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To: OIFVeteran

A court of law is a crap shoot on its best day. I don’t want the fate of my republic being decided by 9 people in black robes. This election was total fraud that was carried out in front of your lying eyes. It cannot be allowed to succeed. The left is in total insurrection right now. That’s what this election has been turned into. Trump needs to put it down but I don’t think he will.


24 posted on 11/24/2020 7:08:33 AM PST by Georgia Girl 2 (The only purpose of a pistol is to fight your way back to the rifle you should never have dropped)
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To: OIFVeteran

Don’t make us laugh. There is overwhelming evidence. If courts are corrupt we have no choice.


28 posted on 11/24/2020 7:11:12 AM PST by DarthVader (Not by speeches & majority decisions will the great issues th the day be decided but by Blood & Iron)
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To: OIFVeteran

Isn’t the US Code “law”?


34 posted on 11/24/2020 7:32:42 AM PST by hal ogen (First Amendment or Reeducation Camp??)
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To: OIFVeteran

It appears you have no problem embracing the fraud and lawlessness committed by democrat fascists in this election.


42 posted on 11/24/2020 8:22:51 AM PST by sergeantdave (Teach a man to fish and he'll steal your gear and sell it)
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To: OIFVeteran

“ If Trump can’t prove in a court of law that their was fraud then he needs to concede.”
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WRT that courts thing you mentioned, you might wish to read this:

“The Second Amendment is a doomsday provision, one designed for those exceptionally rare circumstances where all other rights have failed - where the government refuses to stand for reelection and silences those who protest; ***where courts have lost the courage to oppose***, or can find no one to enforce their decrees. However improbable these contingencies may seem today, facing them unprepared is a mistake a free people get to make only once.” [emphasis added].

— Judge Alex Kozinski

We are NOT living in normal times, there’s a full-on revolution taking place right in front of our eyes, masquerading as a corrupt election. This election is, however, just a means to an end - the end being the effective destruction of our Constitution and Republic (though both will be kept, with appropriate reverence (in name only) being offered up to lull people into accepting the fair accompli. We will have 1- party government on a national level, our freedoms of speech, association and religion will be severely limited, gun rights gone, etc. If, in the face of immense evidence of fraud nothing can be done by our courts, then the justification for revolt against a tyrannical government is in the Declaration of Independence - the very Founders who set up our courts had recently finished such a revolt.


45 posted on 11/24/2020 8:24:44 AM PST by Ancesthntr ("The right to buy weapons is the right to be free." A. E. )
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To: OIFVeteran

This would be treason and make Trump the fascist the left claims he is. We are a nation of laws. If Trump can’t prove in a court of law that their was fraud then he needs to concede.
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Rules for thee but not for me. If laws only work one way they aren’t laws and that bridge has been passed.


46 posted on 11/24/2020 8:25:24 AM PST by joegoeny ("Nuts!")
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To: OIFVeteran
This would be treason and make Trump the fascist the left claims he is. We are a nation of laws. If Trump can’t prove in a court of law that their was fraud then he needs to concede.

I agree with you. It would be the end of our constitutional government, and our constitution. We are in a minority here. There will be another election in 2024, the country won't melt in 4 years. Yes, damage may be done, but it won't be destroyed as this action would do.

56 posted on 11/24/2020 8:43:01 AM PST by SJackson (Let me control the media and I will turn any nation into a herd of sheep, J. Goebbels)
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To: OIFVeteran

The sedition act IS the law.


76 posted on 11/24/2020 10:45:01 AM PST by Louis Foxwell (CRITICAL RACE THEORY IS A MARXIST DOCTRINE FROM THE PIT OF HELL.)
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To: OIFVeteran; All
".... This would be treason and make Trump the fascist the left claims he is. We are a nation of laws. If Trump can’t prove in a court of law that [there] was fraud then he needs to concede...."

The irony in your statement is apparently lost on you.

Yes, we are a nation of laws. But you assume if Trump follows The Insurrection Act or The Enforcement of the Laws to Restore Public Order Act regarding Interference with State and Federal Law, 10 USC § 253 or the utilization of an unorganized militia under the militia act, 10 USC § 246. that this would constitute treason. But these are laws already on the books. He would not by violating or circumventing the law but utilizing or complying with it. It is not treason if he follows the law.

From the article: The authority rests solely with the President. He does not need permission from the states or their governors or the Supreme Court to invoke 10 USC § 253. He does not need to run it through the courts to prove anything. Under the law, he is given unilateral authority to institute the law as he considers necessary. If the President decides that a conspiracy has deprived people of a right and believes that authorities fail or refuse to protect the right, he can send in the troops.

From the article: Congress has given the President the authority and power to proclaim: “I, President Trump, have determined that a conspiracy has deprived 70 million Americans of their right to vote and that the other authorities are refusing to protect this right. I therefore order the suppression of this conspiracy by any means necessary.”

No doubt about it, the Left would cry treason and call him a fascist. But guess what? They are doing that right now anyway.

The forces of the entire country and in many cases, the entire world (i.e. the globalists) are arrayed against him. The American people who support and elected him did so because he is fighting for their rights, not just his. No other president in my lifetime has ever done that.

As far as him conceding to a bunch of treasonous thieves who used a corrupt system to steal the election from him, I stand behind him. Too many, including yourself, are too quick to pull the trigger before he has had time to prove his case like the Constitution allows him to do.

Giving in to the corrupt Left and buckling under to their public pressure for Trump to quit is exactly what the democRATS and the MSM want. What about standing up to them, supporting the President and doing what WE want to happen.....for him to serve a second term he justly deserves? Because he won this election and it has outright stolen from him (and us) in such a brazen way, that it should not stand.

If we are to ever get rid of the Deep State and their corrupt practices that go against the will of the American people, we need to support and follow the only man who is willing to do it for us. He should not concede.

81 posted on 11/24/2020 11:37:04 AM PST by HotHunt
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