None of this provides any reason for killing Floyd by having Derek Chauvin put a knee on his neck for 9 minutes.
As I wrote elsewhere, I get that in 2004 many people defended the war in Iraq and voted for Dubya because to do otherwise meant President Lurch. That was a political decision.
It seems the same political calculus is afoot today: part of this nation can border on saying that the killing of Floyd was ok because saying otherwise puts them in the side of the rioters. Similarly, part of this nation can border on saying that rioting and burning and looting is ok because saying otherwise puts them in the side of the police.
We need to call balls and strikes. I see no error or moral crime in holding these beliefs simultaneously: George Floyd was not as pure as the driven snow; the police have a difficult job to do; not all LEOs good guys; the cities of the nation should NOT defund the police; rioting and destruction of private property is NEVER legal or something to be championed; and a competent cop would have arrested and subdued Floyd without killing him.
I chided the Doc for his post because he has a brain and is mostly correct.
In your case, I can't be as severe a critic, because you are almost always an asshole.
I never expect to read anything rational from you, BUT, accusing the cop of KILLING CURIOUS GEORGE, that is almost beyond your low level of double digit IQ.
KILLING HIM?
Sad, if only he did not resist arrest he would most likely be alive today.
All schools should teach in civics class not to resist arrest, you can tell your story to the judge.
Far more eloquently put than what I said. Well said!
“a competent cop would have arrested and subdued Floyd without killing him.”
Four tried (on video), and were unable to do so, because he was so big, strong, actively resisting and hyped up on drugs. His breathing problems, and complaints began well before he was on the ground.
His blood level of fentanyl was higher at his autopsy than the average fatal overdose, and he had additional fentanyl and methamphetamine hidden in has rectum, as well as what was in his mouth, and the packet he was shown discarding on video.
The kneeling position (on the neck) was actually trained by the Police Department, for controlling people in the throes of “excited delerium” - drug-induced over excitation, which can lead to death, if they are not subdued. It provides the leverage to use your body weight to restrain someone from pushing up without exhausting yourself, while struggling against someone who is massively hyped up on drugs.
George Floyd was overweight, had chronic high blood pressure, extensive coronary artery blockage, sickle cell disease, was a smoker and was positive for COVID-19 - beyond his fatal blood level of fentanyl (in addition to several other drugs in his blood at death, including other opiate narcotics, which also kill by shutting down respiration).
He was dying of a drug overdose, and panicked at the drug-induced shutdown of his breathing (the mechanism by which fentanyl kills). Likely only the powerful stimulation of the methamphetamine in his blood kept him conscious, as his breathing was shutting down.
If you can obtain copies of the two Hennepin Medical Examiner autopsy reports (I copied mine before they were pulled from the official site,) you will see that the neck kneeling had no consequence in the death of Mr. Floyd. More to the point, the toxicology of Mr. Floyd's bodily fluids revealed more than 3x a lethal dose of fentanyl (11 ng/mL,) heavy presence of methamphetamine, and sickle cell anemic complications.
Floyd killed Floyd, not Chauvin.
All four officers were overcharged. Not sure how a jury can convict when he had a lethal dose of fentanyl and he was complaining of not being able to breathe even before he was placed on the ground.
Protocol for a suspect in this state is to place them on their stomach so they don’t aspirate on their own vomit.
Nine minutes was too long. Just don’t think murder is an appropriate charge.
Doodle??? Floyd wasn’t ‘killed’!! He died from a fentanyl overdose! And, BTW, the cops followed every procedure in their training manual in subduing him pending arrival of the ambulance.