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1541: Margaret Pole, Countess of Salisbury
ExecutedToday.com ^ | May 27, 2013 | Nancy Bilyeau

Posted on 05/27/2020 5:50:00 AM PDT by CheshireTheCat

On this date in 1541, 68-year-old Margaret Pole, countess of Salisbury, was beheaded within the confines of the Tower of London, as befitted her rank. She was cousin to Henry VIII’s mother, and well trusted by the king for years. Yet this intelligent and dignified aristocrat died without trial in a horribly botched execution that is considered a low point of Henry’s reign. Margaret knew better than most how difficult it was to survive royal storms if your family was close to the throne. Yet despite all her efforts to stay out of danger, it was her family that doomed her to the axe in the end.

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TOPICS: History
KEYWORDS: countessofsalisbury; henryviii; margaretpole; middleages; pole; renaissance; salisbury; tudors

1 posted on 05/27/2020 5:50:00 AM PDT by CheshireTheCat
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To: CheshireTheCat

Henry VIII: Total asshole.


2 posted on 05/27/2020 6:54:57 AM PDT by Sans-Culotte (With every passing day, I am a little bit gladder that Romney lost in 2012.)
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To: CheshireTheCat

“execution that is considered a low point of Henry’s reign. “
Henry had a few low points along the way.


3 posted on 05/27/2020 7:17:09 AM PDT by freefdny
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To: CheshireTheCat

Ol Henry was, as usual, a tyrant.

He went on a mission to get rid of ALL Plantagenets after his Ol Man got the throne from Richard the third.

Henry the 7th actually had very little if any claim to the throne and he knew it. So he married into the House of York and his tyrant of a son went on the mission to eliminate the Plantagenets even thought the blood ran through him.

The endless civil wars and family fighting never quit till the Hanovarians took the throne.

The monarchy is a tyrannical oligarchy, as are all oligarchys.


4 posted on 05/27/2020 7:29:38 AM PDT by crz
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To: CheshireTheCat

BTW, what it seems they fail to mention is that she had age related dementia.

They had to place her head on the block as she did not know what was going on and she actually wandered around, till they forced her to lay down and place her head on the chopping block.


5 posted on 05/27/2020 7:33:38 AM PDT by crz
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Never hire a one-armed headsman who has an eyepatch.

6 posted on 05/27/2020 11:45:41 AM PDT by SunkenCiv (Imagine an imaginary menagerie manager imagining managing an imaginary menagerie.)
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from the wikiwacky: [snip] She was the daughter of George, Duke of Clarence, the brother of kings Edward IV and Richard III. Margaret was one of two women in 16th-century England to be a peeress in her own right. [/snip]

7 posted on 05/27/2020 11:48:38 AM PDT by SunkenCiv (Imagine an imaginary menagerie manager imagining managing an imaginary menagerie.)
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To: crz

I did not know that. That’s . . .kinda horrifying really.

Thanks for the information, I learn so much from other Freepers.


8 posted on 05/27/2020 12:12:31 PM PDT by RikaStrom (When picking allies, 2 things to consider: 1) Can they shoot, 2) Will they aim at your enemies?)
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To: Sans-Culotte
"Henry VIII: Total asshole."

I hope he's been rotting in Hell all these years.

9 posted on 05/27/2020 12:13:12 PM PDT by mass55th ("Courage is being scared to death, but saddling up anyway." ~~ John Wayne)
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To: CheshireTheCat

Her son Reginald Pole was the last Catholic archbishop of Canterbury.


10 posted on 05/27/2020 12:41:25 PM PDT by Verginius Rufus
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To: RikaStrom
The Plantagenets are my ancestors.

On my mothers side, the Bourdettes (sons of the barons in Normandy) went over with William the Conqueror and were granted titles in England after he took over.

The Plantagenets-or the Devils Brood, took the crown from Stephen and it went to Henry the 2nd.

So it went..William the 1st or conqueror, Henry the 1st, William Rufus, then Stephen, Then he gave the kingship to the Plantagenets. The father of them was lord in Anjou and he said “From the devil we came and to the devil we will go.”

11 posted on 05/27/2020 12:57:50 PM PDT by crz
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To: RikaStrom

BTW..again. Richard the 3rd was not the nasty they claim. He most certainly had the boys killed in the Tower but, he was instrumental in the system of Bail. Many of the laws we subsribe to today originated in the Plantagenet dynasty.

In the north, he is know as Richard the kind, or good King Richard.

The Tudors went on a propaganda war against him after he was killed at Bosworth Field, and he was betrayed by those who swore to defend him in that battle.

One of my ancestors was burned at the stake in Horndon on the Hill for being a Protestant by Bloody Mary Tudor.

That whole bunch, and to this day, are a bunch of back stabbing sordid greedy bastards.


12 posted on 05/27/2020 1:08:29 PM PDT by crz
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To: CheshireTheCat

Cool site at the link. Thanks!


13 posted on 05/27/2020 1:18:27 PM PDT by PistolPaknMama
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To: SunkenCiv; CheshireTheCat

Many reasons have been given for Henry’s obesity and erratic behavioral patterns. For my part I still hold to the good ol’ syphilis interpretation - Occam’s Razor, as it were. There can be little doubt that he was mentally unbalanced - insane. Still, Elizabeth I was notable and effective. Perhaps Henry’s promiscuity encouraged her lack of marriage which ended the Tudor line.


14 posted on 05/27/2020 2:53:28 PM PDT by Bob Ireland (The Democrap Party is the enemy of freedom.They use all the seductions and deceits of the Bolshevics)
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To: Bob Ireland; SunkenCiv; CheshireTheCat

Regarding Henry VIII’s insanity. He was not born insane, but the changes in his “sanity” came after he received brain injuries in one, possibly two, jousting contests, where he took severe injuries to his head. There are several articles about this such as:

https://news.yale.edu/2016/02/02/did-henry-viii-suffer-same-brain-injury-some-nfl-players

https://www.historyextra.com/period/tudor/henry-viii-brain-injury-caused-by-jousting-to-blame-for-erratic-behaviour-and-possible-impotence/

https://www.livescience.com/53662-king-henry-viii-head-injuries-behavior.html


15 posted on 05/28/2020 9:17:01 AM PDT by GreyFriar (Spearhead - 3rd Armored Division 75-78 & 83-87)
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To: GreyFriar
***the changes in his “sanity” came after he received brain injuries in one, possibly two, jousting contests, where he took severe injuries to his head***

As I said, there are other explanations for Henry's odd behavior. I choose to believe the most obvious: that syphilis was destroying his brain cells.

16 posted on 05/28/2020 9:27:32 AM PDT by Bob Ireland (The Democrap Party is the enemy of freedom.They use all the seductions and deceits of the Bolshevics)
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To: Bob Ireland
I'm also inclined to think he had syphylis. But we know he had a closed head injury, which would be more than enough to explain his wild moon swings, lashing out, etc, all of which occurred after that event. His sarcophagus was used for his remains, those of his son and successor Edward, and for Charles I (beheaded by Cromwell), and then the location was lost (probably deliberately concealed) for a couple centuries, rediscovered during some restoration work on that church during the 19th century. It would be interesting to if proper authorities were to reopen the sarcophagus forensically, clear it, study everything, sample everything, and reinter the remains in modern (perhaps solid metal) receptacles. This would be for genetic data as well as trying to diagnose Henry's and perhaps Edward's cause of death.

17 posted on 05/28/2020 9:45:41 AM PDT by SunkenCiv (Imagine an imaginary menagerie manager imagining managing an imaginary menagerie.)
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To: GreyFriar
Right.

18 posted on 05/28/2020 9:52:17 AM PDT by SunkenCiv (Imagine an imaginary menagerie manager imagining managing an imaginary menagerie.)
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Whoops, moon = mood.


19 posted on 05/28/2020 9:53:17 AM PDT by SunkenCiv (Imagine an imaginary menagerie manager imagining managing an imaginary menagerie.)
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To: CheshireTheCat

Later


20 posted on 05/28/2020 9:53:54 AM PDT by thesearethetimes... (Had I brought Christ with me, the outcome would have been different. Dr.Eric Cunningham)
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