Posted on 04/13/2020 5:56:54 PM PDT by logi_cal869
I'm posting this reference study due to the reckless disregard for public safety with the CDC's recent 'recommendation' for EVERYONE to wear masks, in particular homemade, cloth masks.
If you believe that you are at-risk (lifestyle disease or immune-compromised/disorder, etc) and harbor the belief that a cloth mask will protect you, you're egregiously in-error.
I missed the "recommendation" from federal health authorities for "everyone" to wear masks. Asinine from my perspective, but that's not the point.
CDC made the April 3rd announcement on the basis of research surrounding "asymptomatic" people spreading the virus.
There are several problems with this approach:
The only source I'm going to cite is a very well-done study from 2015 (you can view the language used to parse the effectiveness of cloth masks at CDC and your local health department on your own:
A cluster randomised trial of cloth masks compared with medical masks in healthcare workers
Its "objective" is quoted as follows:
"The aim of this study was to compare the efficacy of cloth masks to medical masks in hospital healthcare workers (HCWs). The null hypothesis is that there is no difference between medical masks and cloth masks."
Here is the meat of the study which should highlight the concern I have with all the people now walking around in the false belief that they are protected (I know: I've asked and 100% believe that the cloth mask is protecting them. The response is always the same: Then why did the government recommend their use? It's a good question): "Laboratory tests showed the penetration of particles through the cloth masks to be very high (97%) compared with medical masks (44%) (used in trial) and 3M 9320 N95 (less than 0.01%), 3M Vflex 9105 N95 (0.1%).” Hence, if you are at-risk of complications, you should be ordering be best mask you can buy or, depending upon your standpoint, perhaps staying home and protecting yourself.
The rest of you: I suggest just getting the virus and calling it good. A recent random sample of 10% of the population of Iceland found that half the people had antibodies, meaning that they had already been exposed. It is absolutely shameless - "reckless endangerment" is the proper term to use for fomenting panic - for the government to be non-scientific about this virus. The conclusions have all been discussed ad nauseam here and are finally being thrust upon others by the likes of Mark Levin & others. I believe that Trump is ready to fire Fauci, something I have called for since early March. You CANNOT avoid it forever and wearing a cloth mask - IMHO - makes you look like a horse from behind.
The bottom line here is that a cloth mask will NOT prevent infection from SARS-CoV-2 and it is clear that they are only concerned about "slowing the spread" to ensure that it's drawn out as long as possible (the latter being IMHO).
You educated someone..
So what do you suggest for those who can’t get PPE?
A cloth mask containing a filter - even a couple of layers of folded paper towel is said to be good from some study I read here.
Throw the filter away and wash the mask for the next use.
Bookmark.
all is vanity
bookmark
“from my standpoint, looking a fool wearing a cloth mask”
What do you care what others think of your looks?
cheap face mask used by nurses
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=HHUrSX2cJyA
I use three masks when I dont use my n95s.
surgicial mask, one i bought from a nascar company, and something I came up with on amazon that attached to a hat that is a sunblocker for your face made out of cloth
it WILL lessen the viral load..you could also use paper towels or other such things to create a layer
https://composite-resources-mask.com/
one MD here pointed out very early on that you must lessen the viral load in order to have your best chance at surviving.
stay away from people who are sneezing and hacking....wash your hands and don't touch you face especially your eyes....
nobody can be absolutely free from danger in this world...
I bet if I had a cough, and was in the produce department of a grocery store filled with "cloth mask deniers", they'd be urging me to put on a cloth mask if that's all that was available.
“It is WELL-ESTABLISHED that surgical masks are only effective at preventing the wearer from infecting others (hence their use in hospital settings, i.e. operating theaters),”
Why are thousands of hospital workers wearing them in lieu of the N95 when it is not available? To prevent infecting COVID-19 patients with SARS-CV-2?
These cloth masks and surgical masks are to protect others from the wearer. If the wearer wants protection, wear at least an N95 respirator.
You probably don’t know this, but the US military has ordered all personnel to wear a cloth mask when no other mask is available. This is coming from the top experts in the world for infectious disease. The real bottom line is that you use the best tool available to you at any given time. If you don’t have N95 masks and you want to breathe, then you choose the next alternative to keep breathing.
“one MD here pointed out very early on that you must lessen the viral load in order to have your best chance at surviving.”
You make a valid point about which I’ve been beating a drum to deaf ears, it seems.
My hypothesis is that the virus gets anchored in the body in the respiratory tract and becomes a serious systemic problem for those which high ACE2 blood levels from there, compromising blood-oxygen levels and infecting organs along the way.
I believe that eliminating its “base of operations”, so-to-speak, permits the immune system to quickly eradicate it even in >50 year-olds like me & my wife.
Hence my prior post:
Wuhan Coronavirus: Propylene Glycol as Possible Therapy for Eradication of RTI and Prevention of Complications [vanity]
http://www.freerepublic.com/focus/f-bloggers/3831003/posts
You are generally correct.
However, a cloth, homemade mask is FAR better than nothing.
People like my wife, with comorbidities, should avoid going out altogether during these shutdowns; and when they do, they must take every possible precaution available to them. A cloth mask is better than nothing. They shoudl double/triple up on it.
We have the N-95s, nitrile gloves, and hand sanitizer I bought for my family in January when the Chinese Virus news hit the USA.
We will keep an adequate stock of this, and other, PPE for the future.
EVERY Freeper should be prepared. This will happen again and the next Chinese bioweapon may be the big one and not a test run.
The idea that masks are the panacea, it’s just pie-in-the-sky simplistic. Masks only mitigate one avenue of exposure. How are these people protecting their eyes? How are these people decontaminating their skin and their clothing? How are these people decontaminating their shoes after they walk through a grocery store that 1000 other people potentially carrying the virus have walked through? Before you enter a living space, do you clear through a hot zone, warm zone, and cold zone? I think these masks only give people a false sense of security that results in other break downs. If you don’t know what you’re doing the potential for cross-contamination is extreme. Your mask isn’t going to do any good if your environment Is a contaminated mess.
I think you make a good point which most people are gradually arriving at anyway. My suspicion is that you are going to have to have a mask of some kind to be in almost any public place. Such a mask is obviously not subject to on the spot evaluation for efficacy. It is more of a ritualistic thing that I believe you are going to have to have to go to your supermarket.
I park in my driveway.
Take off my short rain boots.
spray them with lysol
let them sit outside for hours
then go wash them outside with the hose
it is very hard to stay completely virus free.
I posted a Dr who was showing how to clean groceries and immediately spotted something he was doing wrong that could cause cross contamination
You just have to do the best that you can do to lessen the viral load and hope for the best until they find a treatment they can give you without having to be at deaths door at the hospital
Most Drs are not going to give Trump’s drug on a telemedicine visit right now.
I watched someone die of lung cancer.Breathing issues are a nightmare. I am doing all that I can to avoid going through that hell
Bolshevik. Since most of these masks are coming from China and India, have you seen the videos, I would take my chance with a cloth covering first. I am tired of these so called studies. The facts are the ChiComms hoisted this crap on us. Probably with the help of Diane Feinstein. The best thing about this disaster is that Mexico will be paying for our wall after the oil deal that was signed yesterday. Thank God for President Trump.
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