Posted on 07/15/2019 9:23:18 PM PDT by impimp
Things Jordan Peterson is wrong about: 1, gnostic views of Christ (his views seem to imply he doubts Jesus’ divinity but maybe I am wrong) 2. His belief that there is a place for the left in politics and that we would have too rigid hierarchical structures without the left. I see no problem with long term meritocracy and the left’s rejection of freedom is bad. He discusses this in depth on the Joe Rogan podcasts. 3. His lack of understanding of present day right wing thought - he seems to think it is authoritarian in nature. Right wing thought today mostly believes in rule of law and economic liberty.
Things he is correct about: 1. Seems like everything else not mentioned above.
This stems from his belief that the fascism are right wing and collectivist. This has gotten him all discombobulated.
Many people have attempted to clarify this for him but he ignores them. He only accepts information from "scholar"
Jordanetics: A Journey Into the Mind of Humanity’s Greatest Thinker
Vox Day
It is a philosophy of suffering without the hope that comes from a belief in the victory already won through Christ. The scales dropped away 10m into a stream by Vox.
Good Morning my fellow Lobsters,
“I’d just like to start with a quick chat on....”
“That depends on what you mean by....”
“And if we unpack that, it gets really deep...”
“When I was studying Nietzscher, Dostievski, Jung....””
“Who knows how we think...?”
Two and a half hours later: “So the answer to your question is: I just don’t know, and who does? “
No, I’ve nothing of use to bring to this conversation...”but that depends on what you mean by useful.”
He’s not perfect, but he gets a *lot* right. He doesn’t fully understand American politics, isn’t a politician. To completely write him off over this misstep is not helpful.
Thanks!
Here are some great starting points to get to know JBP:
Jordan Peterson debate on the gender pay gap, campus protests and postmodernism - The Cathy Newman interview.
https://youtu.be/aMcjxSThD54
In which he nicely completely demolishes a hostile Leftist interviewer.
The Queen’s University Talk: The Rising Tide of Compelled Speech
https://youtu.be/MwdYpMS8s28
This one is interesting not only for the JBP content, but for his reaction to / comments on the screeching Leftists disrupting the event, trying to shut it down.
Jordan Peterson | Full Address and Q&A | Oxford Union
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=UZMIbo_DxJk
Jordan Peterson, Eric Weinstein, and Dave Rubin
https://youtu.be/Li2J4GxZ6iM
Most of Peterson’s flaws can be explained by his academic environment and being a Canadian. He simply cannot reject the Left as valid because it is dominant among his audience and his environment, and he must also pitch himself as a thoughtful critic of conservatism. Gelded he may thereby be, but Peterson is still on our side.
Peterson is a Canada psychologist. He doesn't understand the U.S. system of government or politics in general, and he's not a theologian (hence his confusing and sometimes naive statements about God).
His statements within his field of expertise ought not be tossed out because he--foolishly--made a few statements about things outside his field.
Whyt would you apply the RINO label to Peterson given that he isn’t America or Republican and isn’t even involved in the arena of politics except to the extent that politics intersects with psychology or human behavior?
“Whyt would you apply the RINO label to Peterson...”?
I didn’t. RINO is a commonly known example of people that say what you want to hear but you can’t take everything they say as gospel. I personally like and agree with most of what he says but I don’t know him well enough to take everything he says without question.
Jordan Peterson is a classic liberal.
What he’s showing is that classic liberals have been elbowed out of academia by the communists.
Ping to watch later.
Jordan Peterson had a big impact helping me find religion. I had always said I believed in God, but I had put little thought into it. I finally hit an age where I started looking for answers, and Jordan Peterson is someone that helped me a lot. I'm still looking for answers, and I'll always be, but I have a much more informed view of my personal religious views than before. We need to remember that it's people like him that have an ability to reach people who won't listen to traditional conservatives when it comes to religion or politics. Jordan Peterson is one of many who reaches an audience that people like Sean Hannity or Rush Limbaugh might not be able to reach. A lot of the “alt-right” influenced younger people who considered themselves to be liberals before they heard alternative viewpoints.
Guys like Alex Jones, Milo Yiannopoulos, Gavin McInnes, etc. reach audiences that many others can't, and regardless of what you may think of them personally, we should defend all of them from the authoritarian left who's doing their best to silence them. They are going after those who have learned how to use social media the best to spread their message. Alex Jones might act crazy as part of his character, but he also mixes in a lot of truth, and a lot of people find that entertaining. He was the first person I heard of who I saw moving people away the left. I only started listening to him some after he was deplatformed. He's a mix of facts and crazy talk, but I find him funny. I personally saw the change some of the people on left had before the 2016 election. I saw a lot of leftist, and former leftist, decide to vote for Trump or not vote at all, because of these alternative voices that are now being silenced.
A lot of young people are just ignorant and uninterested in politics, but they are exposed to leftist propaganda constantly without looking for it. None of us can escape all the leftist propaganda, but we have to actively seek out conservative news most of the time. The propaganda works on a lot of people, especially young people who never had a respected conservative family member or close friend. The right started reaching younger people through social media, and that's why so many are being silenced now. The change from 2016 to now is already huge, and it's getting worse. It will have an affect on all future elections. The left knows that, and that's why they immediately started censoring people on the right after Trump's victory. I think Steve Bannon understands the influence of all the different voices on the right as well as anyone, and hopefully Trump and Bannon work together for the 2020 election. I think they both put the country and winning in 2020 above any petty feud. Trump has shown he will work with people he's had bitter disputes with in the past for the good of the country.
The alt-right isn't the extreme far right fringe dominated by white supremacist, but we allowed the left to control the narrative and marginalize many of the voices associated with it. The left have attacked, and tried silencing people, only because they were influential at turning people away from the sick far left agenda. It was reaching a lot of people who couldn't be reached by the traditional right. We don't need to agree with everyone on the right, but we should be united against the communist/socialist far left. They want to disarm us for a very nefarious reasons, and history has shown what they'll do to us if we give them the chance. We can't let the left control the narrative and label us racist over every little thing. The tiny fringe of actual racist that exist are dumb attention seekers that get called out by others on the right. The left is where real racism exist.
The Nazis lost power after WW2, but communism has continued to spread. Most are smart enough to no longer call themselves communist, but that's what they are. They've infiltrated many institutions in the west, especially our education system. The people behind this movement aren't dumb, even though many of their ignorant indoctrinated pawns are. If they're all as stupid as we sometimes like to think, then we are even dumber for allowing them to attain so much control and power over our nation. We have to defeat the far left to save our country. The right needs to be united against the left, and the establishment from both parties, before we start fighting among ourselves. Getting to That day will take a lot of hard work and sacrifice, but it would be great to get back to a time where all sides love the country, and where our constitution has been restored, and is respected by everyone. I'm sorry this turned into a ranting wall of text lol.
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